When do I go from beginner to intermediate level?

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Smugwib

The title is the question.  Inspired by a similar thread.  

niko_1599

I would say when you start frequently playing games that rarely involve random (very obvious) piece blunders but instead involve tactical or positional blunders that are harder to spot for beginners. You also need to master the technique of very basic endgames like Q+K vs. K and R+K vs. K or K+P vs. K, learn the concept of opposition and stalemate, understand the opening principles and be aware of the basic tactical ideas like the pin, the discovered attack and the fork.

I would say all of this happens at around 1500-1600 rapid elo, at least id did for me. Random piece blunders still happens, but is much less frequent at that level.

Smugwib
niko_1599 wrote:

I would say when you start frequently playing games that rarely involve random (very obvious) piece blunders but instead involve tactical or positional blunders that are harder to spot for beginners. You also need to master the technique of very basic endgames like Q+K vs. K and R+K vs. K or K+P vs. K, learn the concept of opposition and stalemate, understand the opening principles and be aware of the basic tactical ideas like the pin, the discovered attack and the fork.

I would say all of this happens at around 1500-1600 rapid elo, at least id did for me. Random piece blunders still happens, but is much less frequent at that level.

 

That could be a lot of things.  I bet I could play an entire game of mistakes if it's vs an angel,  but vs some random person no such "blunders" would be found.

 

An obvious blunder that loses by force could be missed if the players don't notice.

 

Where are you setting the bar?    What is obvious?

niko_1599

With very obvious piece blunders I mean pieces that are protected and then suddenly the player forgot and move the piece that was guarding another piece. Also, situations where the opponent makes a direct attack on your piece and then instead of adressing the threat you move something else which leads to losing a piece for no compensation.

At the intermediate level you start thinking more about squares than pieces, and you are constantly looking to create or exploit the weaknesses in your opponent's position. You begin to think more about if piece trades are benefitial to your position and don't trade just for the sake of it.

I guess there is not a clear definition of when you stop being a beginner and start being an intermediate level player, if that's what you are looking for.

Smugwib

I have an ongoing game where I threw away a rook in an otherwise easy position,   I was thumbing thru like 100 daily games,  compared two ways of lifting a rook up and over,  forgot about his bishop and threw it away.  I think i'll still win,   but for a few moves after that,  it seemed less clear.   One second,  things are mostly moving forward and very comfy,   next second, boom,  pear shaped stress test.  

 

perhaps when I stop doing that I am no longer a beginner.

 

Smugwib

if that's intermediate then what's advanced?  lol

Smugwib

Woah,  that guy's comments didn't last 20 seconds.   

brysonfox52

advanced is when you decide to go trans

 

Smugwib

And if that's advanced,  what is expert?    

brysonfox52

that is a art form very little have accomplished it is when you win your first drag comp 

 

Smugwib
brysonfox52 wrote:

that is a art form very little have accomplished it is when you win your first drag comp 

 

If winning a comp is how you become an expert then what is mastery?

 

or championship? 

brysonfox52

winning rupauls drag competition gives you Gm and world champion 

Smugwib

I don't know what that is

brysonfox52

loom it up

 

brysonfox52

oh wait this is a chess forum not a drag queen forum my bad 

Smugwib

I already did,  it seems like a very silly show.

Deadmanparty

Beginner means beginner.  Bad should be next, the intermediate.

Smugwib
Deadmanparty wrote:

Beginner means beginner.  Bad should be next, the intermediate.

 

Beginner by time,  or by skill level?

 

The word is often unclear to me.

 

I am new to chess,  or I was when my  games started.   But I don't know if I would consider myself like the other beginners that I played and am still playing against.

 

But then I consider the earlier definition about one off mistakes cropping up in games and I am like Hmmm,  maybe I am very much a beginner cuz it was spot on the money! 

Deadmanparty

Beginner is by time.  The arrogant who believe you need to be in the top 5 percent of all chess players not to be classified as beginner are the problem.

 

FIDE creates this by having a minimum chess rating most people cannot achieve.  Then when you reach that lowest possible rating you are a beginner defined by FIDE.

Smugwib

I know about FIDE from trivia games,  but I haven't participated yet.

 

I broke my leg in january,  and am still in the recovery process.

 

Chess was one of the past times I picked up to cope.

 

So I consider myself a beginner in chess because it seems to be a game that people put work levels of hours into,   Kind of like how I would be a beginner pianist or Karateka after similar hours.

 

However,   I have played like a hundred games and in some OTHER games,   I wouldn't be considered new anymore.

 

based on how much of a "sport" something is,  or how  worthy it is,  the 5% (or sometimes a much higher bar) attitude makes a LOT of sense.

 

Especially between men or people who are trying to actually get into it.

 

That said,  Extending such an attitude to the turbo casuals,  As they are sometimes called in RTS or MMO communities is always a tinderbox.

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