Why are chess pieces laid out like this?

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amilton542

I was interested to know how the pieces on a chess board are arranged in the way that they are, does anybody know the reason for this?

The first idea that comes to my mind is symmetry, it's manifested in nature itself. But if you were to switch the knights and bishops around the symmetry is still preserved.

Obviously there is still Chess 960 to consider, but what makes the standard chess set-up so unique as opposed towards any other method?

At some point on our time line, there would have had to been numerous discussions and decisions about this, followed by rules, in order to get the game to where it is today.

leiph18

Probably many were tried and the most popular became the standard.

But I don't know, I'm interested to hear the specifics also.

With a modern understanding, the knight position makes sense. It's flexible (can move to 2 different squares), neither square blocks the center, and on c3 f3 they influence all 4 central squares. Even if you didn't value the center, this lets them hit about any square on the board in 3 moves or less.

Bishops make some sense too. Yeah long diagonals are important, but I think it's reasonable to not want them attacking the enemy after just 1 move, which makes the game less complex (with a bishop on a1 or b1, once you move a pawn and you attack). Also bishops are impotent to squares in front of them. So if placed on e1 or d1 they are more awkward to bring into the game.

Rooks aren't very effective pieces while each side still has 8 pawns, so stuffing them in the corners keeps them out of the way until some trades have happened.

I don't know why the queen and king are in the middle. Process of elimination after placing all the others I guess.

Those are my thoughts. Early experimenters couldn't have thought of all that, but the fluidity of development and complexity of strategy I'm sure led them to this arrangement (and many other rules like castling and stalemate as a draw).

RonaldJosephCote

        Your question is historical in nature. The King can do no wrong, so the Queen is allways to his left. Since the church was the 1st form of government, surrounding them with bishops only seemed ike common sense. Knights & Rooks are simply glorified foot soldiers, so the're put on the end. I only take exception to what leiph said about, "fluidity of development". Chess developed like everything else.  V E R Y  S L O W L Y.

leiph18

I meant development as in bringing your pieces off the back rank.

I agree rules the changed slowly. I just meant they probably changed for the sake for a more entertaining game!

This would be a good question for batgirl.

amilton542

Interesting. I liked your castles in the corner hypothesis the most, that made a lot of sense.

But let's just imagine if the bishops and knights got switched indefinately. Let's say this is the new standard way of chess. If you were to give it enough time, a whole bunch of new openings and variations would start to emerge and as humans we would figure all these out. So having said that, technically, we're not limited on board position to begin a standard game.

amilton542
stuzzicadenti wrote:

if you dont like it then play chess960

 

I do play 960 :)

leiph18

Yes, that's true. It would be interesting.

One of the things I'd like to see if this site gets an option for live 960 games would be two different clock. One of the clocks would be the normal game clock. The 2nd you could set from maybe zero to 5 minutes, and it would count down at the beginning of the game to give you time to try to figure out how it makes sense to play the opening.

RonaldJosephCote

     My apologies on mis-interpreting your development clause.

amilton542

No offense taken my friend. I feel confident to say this thread will diminish within 48-hrs, obviously...nobody gives a shit! :)

RonaldJosephCote

      Maybe not.   Its always quiet at night here, plus its the weekend. Batgirl may chime in. Give it a few days. Threads are funny. When you wantta have an intelligent conversation, here come the trools. And when you want to post funny/stupid, someone wants to reply intelligently..

PerfectConscience

Chess originated in India. Indian defences feature a fianchetto on either side. The current configuration is ideal and allows harmonious development. And that is why 960 is not a good alternative.

amilton542

I like 960, it gets everybody out of their repetitive comfort zone.

MuhammadAreez10

I may argue that chess originated in the part of India that is now Pakistan.

Chess 960 is a good measure of a player's skill and chess understanding.

As for the current placement of pieces, I'm waiting for batgirl.

heyRick

why are chess pieces laid out like what?

MuhammadAreez10

Like they are now. ^

ProfessorProfesesen

I blame FIDE and Kasparov!

Gil-Gandel

It's nothing to do with the powers of the bishops and queens though - the placement goes back to the parent game when the bishop was a (2,2) leaper (fil) and the queen moved one square diagonally (fers). Of course in many languages they aren't called "bishop" or "queen".

BlackAkres78

I think the placement has a lot of metaphor. clearly the king and queen are placed next to each other as family. next surrounded by their spiritual council, the bishop. next protected by the knights. lastly they are all enclosed within the walls of the castle, the rooks.

RonaldJosephCote

      That's a good analogy. Smile    Don't forget the military axiom;  "there is safety in numbers".Wink

BlackAkres78

and let's not forget all the pawns in front as the soldiers.

 

it's the feudal system