Why Can't I Uncastle a Castle ?

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The_Ghostess_Lola

I will say this much about castling. Whoever came up with tucking your King into the bosom of Rook + pawn ?....was thinking. Tho' leaving your King exposed to Earth & everyone would have probably created countless miniatures in parlors from Compton to Paris. 

Where they drifted off course (& subsequently failed) was breaking chess rule by forbidding you to hit the rewind button.

I guess some songs aren't meant to be played twice.

SonOfThunder2
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I will say this much about castling. Whoever came up with tucking your King into the bosom of Rook + pawn ?....was thinking. Tho' leaving your King exposed to Earth & everyone would have probably created countless miniatures in parlors from Compton to Paris. 

Where they drifted off course (& subsequently failed) was breaking chess rule by forbidding you to hit the rewind button.

I guess some songs aren't meant to be played twice.

Just stop okay?

chess_man456
The confusion here is that the Ghostess keeps talking about taking moves back, retracting moves or going backwards. You can never "take back" or "retract" moves in chess. We use the whole board. The king can move 1 square in any direction. It's inherent in the way the king moves that it can go back to the previous square it was on. That is not going backwards or retracting a move. It could be just losing a tempo.

Fide by saying that the king can move 1 square in any direction, inherently within that definition means the king can go back to the previous square it was on. When it defines castling as moving two squares to the right or left and the rook jumping over it, nowhere in that definition is it inherent that it can also jump back two squares to "uncastle." Fide rules are clear. There are only 2 ways a king can move. 1 square in any direction. Or castle by jumping 2 squares to the left or right and the rook jumping over. That's it. That's all. Case closed.

The funny thing is that it does not matter what I or anybody else on this thread says, Ghostess will never agree. And also I've yet to read a single comment from anyone who agrees with Ghostess. So who's right here? But again it doesn't matter because Ghostess will never agree.
Boyangzhao
chess_man456 wrote:
The confusion here is that the Ghostess keeps talking about taking moves back, retracting moves or going backwards. You can never "take back" or "retract" moves in chess. We use the whole board. The king can move 1 square in any direction. It's inherent in the way the king moves that it can go back to the previous square it was on. That is not going backwards or retracting a move. It could be just losing a tempo.

Fide by saying that the king can move 1 square in any direction, inherently within that definition means the king can go back to the previous square it was on. When it defines castling as moving two squares to the right or left and the rook jumping over it, nowhere in that definition is it inherent that it can also jump back two squares to "uncastle." Fide rules are clear. There are only 2 ways a king can move. 1 square in any direction. Or castle by jumping 2 squares to the left or right and the rook jumping over. That's it. That's all. Case closed.

The funny thing is that it does not matter what I or anybody else on this thread says, Ghostess will never agree. And also I've yet to read a single comment from anyone who agrees with Ghostess. So who's right here? But again it doesn't matter because Ghostess will never agree.

+1

cnj513

 
The funny thing is that it does not matter what I or anybody else on this thread says, Ghostess will never agree.

 

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I got fifty bucks says it's a dude who is absolutely LOVING all the attention.

Pilchuck

Just in case, somewhere in the fourteen pages of comments, the question has not been answered, and someone is interested in the answer outside of mental fapping:

"3.8 a. There are two different ways of moving the king: by moving to any adjoining square not attacked by one or more of the opponent’s pieces or by ‘castling’."

There is no third way; "uncastling" is not defined. Feel free to resume the regularly scheduled self-abuse.

DavidHHH
If uncastling is going to be permitted then I want Bobby Fischer revived. He will know what to do with that new trick on the board. Maybe also Capablanca. Let them undie.
Dark_Army
jengaias wrote:

3.8.b clearly says that castle right is lost once the king has moved.So castling itself cancels any other castling.

It is quite obviously a one time move only. 

          

 

Not so.

Castling and uncastling is not the same thing.

 

The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

And with all due respect to Dark Army, his write-up has holes within holes.

But his last sentence is interesting....

 

Actually, it doesn't.

 

After you are castled, if you touch the king you must move it and may only move it one square in any direction. To move it any other way is illegal....especially when you are jumping it over a rook.

So, your argument is shot down right then and there. You illegally moved your king.

Seabasstian

You can't uncastle for the same reason you can't move pawns backwards. 

 

ITS AN ILLEGAL MOVE!

The_Ghostess_Lola

I don't think mosta u settlement wannavents even know what my argument is.

Yet, noone has politely asked what contents contain my dissolution.

What suma u should do is seek assistance for a pollexanalectomy 'cuz ur sitting around accomplishing that only.

The_Ghostess_Lola
SebastianCBarrett wrote:

You can't uncastle for the same reason you can't move pawns backwards. 

 

ITS AN ILLEGAL MOVE!

It's NOT an illegal move in practice....u village-tested 75. Noone that I've heard of has pushed a TD's button for clarity ! FIDE's appears massagedly vague about this. I wanna know if they're doing it on purpose or who's come forth to challenge their letter.

....and call ur physician....for everyone's sake, okay ?

The_Ghostess_Lola
SebastianCBarrett wrote:

You can't uncastle for the same reason you can't move pawns backwards. 

 

ITS AN ILLEGAL MOVE!

Untrue to the point that  I'm beginning to wonder if it's u who needs to call 911.

FIDE is explicit about pawns. I only wish you knew the difference between pawns and what Forrest Gump sought....'cuz it'd help put us on the same boat. 

The_Ghostess_Lola
Pilchuck wrote:

Just in case, somewhere in the fourteen pages of comments, the question has not been answered, and someone is interested in the answer outside of mental fapping:

"3.8 a. There are two different ways of moving the king: by moving to any adjoining square not attacked by one or more of the opponent’s pieces or by ‘castling’."

There is no third way; "uncastling" is not defined. Feel free to resume the regularly scheduled self-abuse.

Have considered the very same Mountain per ur username somewhere north of SFO ?....well, why don't u climb it ?....and not come down....Yell....

newb2012

"Uncastling" is not listed as a legal move.  All legal moves are listed.  Therefore "uncastling" is not a legal move.  The answer you seek is based on the study of the rules and applied logic.

The_Ghostess_Lola
DavidHHH wrote:
If uncastling is going to be permitted then I want Bobby Fischer revived. He will know what to do with that new trick on the board. Maybe also Capablanca. Let them undie.

Here David....hope this helps. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPFRIOI-HcE

And BTW, if u plan on winning my trust ?....then u have some worka head of u. Now, I like u 'cuza ur humor, but ur on the bubble (if uv ever taken a bath in 1a those) & it's now up 2u to add scented candles. 

AlCzervik
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Let's say I move my Bishop from c1 to to d2. Then later I move it back from d2 to c1.

What's the difference between this & castling-uncastling ?

You see ?....there isn't one !

gl, i haven't read this whole thread, so, forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

moving the bishop as you wrote is legal. as i read the rules of moves, those by the king are spelled out clearly. no mention of uncastling. the absense of the condition (un castling) means it is unavailable. 

having said that, i think it would be an interesting variant. 

BlueKnightShade
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
hype1980 wrote:
There's no rule that say I can't capture pieces by hopping over them in a big sequence like in draughts/checkers. Can't wait to try that out.

Oh yes there is. FIDE is explicit that only Knights (friend or foe) and a Rook (friend only) can hop over another piece.

In fact, USCF says one CAN move the Rook first (& hand release it !) in tournament play before overswinging their King in a castle move.....FIDE says no - the Rook stays & end of move....but that's another discussion.

Nope.

The USCF clearly states that if you move your rook first you can NOT castle.

But USCF does have variation of the rule which says that can touch the rook first and still castle. Note that it says touch, NOT move. Thus if you touch the rook you need to let go of it without moving it and actually move the king first. That variation of the official rules should be announced at tournament start.

cnj513

The_Ghostess_Lola

cnj513....did u get an A in PE ?....'cuz like everyone does.

Pilchuck
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Have considered the very same Mountain per ur username somewhere north of SFO ?....well, why don't u climb it ?....and not come down........

Oh go uncastle yourself.