Daily Chess allows the use of books and databases without engine evaluations. This probably raises average accuracy scores for many players.
I don't know how you determined that no daily players are banned. I I looked at the games of a leader in the Daily tournament points leaderboard and saw that a number of his opponents had been banned for Fair Play violations.
You should join the Cheating Forum club to read more about cheating in daily chess.
I reported plenty of time few players unsuccessfuly based on daily game. Every time they got banned after cheating in real time game. Maybe it is the same pattern with the opponents of the player you were talking about.
Sometimes in dailies i do amazing moves then tomorrow i forget what was that i wanted to do next and make massive blunders
Some people are quite bad at speed chess. Myself I play at 1700-1800 level at some other Daily site but on this site Im 1000 elo at 10 minute rapid because I really dont have time to think about a position for several minutes, and I blunder a lot too.
None of those things would happen to me in classical time controls or Daily chess time controls.
They are not really cheating, they are just much better players when they have more time to ponder about a position.
Put it into perspective - Magnus crushed Fabi yesterday at the Speed Chess championship. Do you really think there's such a huge difference between both of them at classical time controls? Some people are not as good as very fast time controls such as 10+0 or faster.
I reported plenty of time few players unsuccessfuly based on daily game. Every time they got banned after cheating in real time game. Maybe it is the same pattern with the opponents of the player you were talking about.
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If you report someone and they weren't closed, then either there were clean or the checks were inconclusive.
Because this site doesn't really care about cheating, they are more concerned about protecting cheaters
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The longer the time control, the harder to be conclusive.
Because this site doesn't really care about cheating, they are more concerned about protecting cheaters
I don't agree with that. I see instances of people having their accounts closed due to 'Fair Play' violations all the time. If the site wanted to protect cheaters it wouldn't have an algorithm designed to catch them.
Fair Play stats for November:
https://www.chess.com/article/view/chesscom-update-november
Looking at my two most recently banned daily opponents, one was banned two days after playing rapid games and only was banned more than two months after the last non-daily game. The first one may have been banned for daily play. The second one must have been banned for daily play.
I've played some really great daily games. Then too, I've had some not so great ones! lol. That sort of inconsistency is what lots of people use to fuel paranoia, when in fact, it's really quite normal. People just have good and bad days at chess.
I know many of people's concerns are legit. There's definitely cheating going on. I think it gets worse at higher levels, but that's my opinion with only suspicion to back it up. I positively hate the opening database use rules. It's ruined the games imo, even against totally honest people who are simply playing within those ridiculous rules. It is what it is. Basically it makes it useless to actually play the game from move 1 because you'll always be worse out of the opening if you do. Not all people use it, but more and more do. If I quit daily altogether, it'll be because of that, not cheating.
My issue with allowing opening databases is that there is an issue of where do we draw the line between what is considered part of the opening theory versus just straight up engine assistance?
If opening theory shows a line 20 plus moves deep, and someone uses that, it seems a bit ridiculous to me that that would be allowed. In my opinion, no assistance whatsoever should be allowed. Players should have to rely on their own memory in regards to opening theory.
My issue with allowing opening databases is that there is an issue of where do we draw the line between what is considered part of the opening theory versus just straight up engine assistance?
If opening theory shows a line 20 plus moves deep, and someone uses that, it seems a bit ridiculous to me that that would be allowed. In my opinion, no assistance whatsoever should be allowed. Players should have to rely on their own memory in regards to opening theory.
Precisely the reason I said if I quit daily altogether, this is what will make me do it. I study opening theory pretty hard, and it pains me to know the time control I play here basically nullifies all that study to a value of 0.
My issue with allowing opening databases is that there is an issue of where do we draw the line between what is considered part of the opening theory versus just straight up engine assistance?
If opening theory shows a line 20 plus moves deep, and someone uses that, it seems a bit ridiculous to me that that would be allowed. In my opinion, no assistance whatsoever should be allowed. Players should have to rely on their own memory in regards to opening theory.
Precisely the reason I said if I quit daily altogether, this is what will make me do it. I study opening theory pretty hard, and it pains me to know the time control I play here basically nullifies all that study to a value of 0.
Exactly. The cleanest way to deal with this issue is just not allow any assistance of any kind.
My issue with allowing opening databases is that there is an issue of where do we draw the line between what is considered part of the opening theory versus just straight up engine assistance?
If opening theory shows a line 20 plus moves deep, and someone uses that, it seems a bit ridiculous to me that that would be allowed. In my opinion, no assistance whatsoever should be allowed. Players should have to rely on their own memory in regards to opening theory.
Daily chess is essentially old style correspondence chess where use of databases, articles, books, etc is allowed.
There are clubs that decide not to use those allowed resources, so if you don't like the use of the allowed options, which might be something for those that prefer opponents that play Daily more like live.
I've played some really great daily games. Then too, I've had some not so great ones! lol. That sort of inconsistency is what lots of people use to fuel paranoia, when in fact, it's really quite normal. People just have good and bad days at chess.
I know many of people's concerns are legit. There's definitely cheating going on. I think it gets worse at higher levels, but that's my opinion with only suspicion to back it up. I positively hate the opening database use rules. It's ruined the games imo, even against totally honest people who are simply playing within those ridiculous rules. It is what it is. Basically it makes it useless to actually play the game from move 1 because you'll always be worse out of the opening if you do. Not all people use it, but more and more do. If I quit daily altogether, it'll be because of that, not cheating.
When I was 1200-1300 in Daily, many years ago, I used to think like you do regarding databases. I even considered them cheating because I thought players would just copy GM level games and play at GM strength ...
I couldnt have been more wrong. If you use databases ...
- The first thing you will notice is your opponent makes a subpar movement (compared to GM strength), you will be out of the db almost instantly. Completely negates the database, and in fact, I've heard many players will make a random move just to negate the database.
- As soon as you are out of the database, if you are not 2500 strong, you will not have a clue on what to continue with or what the basic ideas of the position are.
I dont consider DBs for Daily very useful for players under 2000 elo. Even when you reach 1700-1800 and many of the first moves could be found in a DB, you'd realise many of those moves are obvious for the position.
They are a great source of game to analyse with engines though, and compare against your own past games when you analyse them.
There are clubs that decide not to use those allowed resources, so if you don't like the use of the allowed options, which might be something for those that prefer opponents that play Daily more like live.
How do I find these clubs, because that's what I want to join.
Even the use of books and such is nothing compared to sitting at the screen, clicking a button and being able to see exactly what move was played by some GM at move 20.
It just seems that modern databases are closer to engine usage than they used to be. In other words, a database from 1995 would be vastly different than a current database. Articles and books make sense because they don't update with technology. They are what they are. But a database in 2022 blurs the line too much for me.
Hi every one,
As per Chess.com rules assistance can't be used in any type of games. However it appaers clearly that some players cheat during daily games but never get banned. There are plenty of them who can 't make the difference between a pawn and a bishop in a bullet but cross 90% accuracy during daily game. There must be a clear rule and not giving one rule and doing something else.