Why does white always move first, isn't this giving white an unfair advantage?

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Vilik_Klika
kleelof wrote:

Actually, who gets white is already randomly decided. So, instead of choosing which color goes first, you are choosing who gets to play white. Essentially, it is the same thing.

This.

Lionx188

hi Ellie,

    I think a good way of looking at it is that even though white may have a slight advantage, your chances of being white or black should be equal. So, even though it may feel like you're playing a black game everytime today if you look at your games over a month's time you should see that you've been black about 50 percent of the time and white 50 percent of the time (assuming chess.com has the correct game selection processes in place). This then shouldn't really be an incentive  for us to change any rules as we will play white as much as any of our opponents.

        Another thing to think about is the amount of work that has gone into openings throughout the years. For any moves white make, black has just as good of a move in return. With all of the types of gambits and attacking opportunities that black can get I really do think they aren't at much of a disadvantage, if any. Especially if we consider that black gets to counter white. White gives up a lot of information by the opening they do and black can respond in return.

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Why can the king castle and the queen can't ?

HGMuller

White usually scores 53%. But if black goes first, black would have that same advantage, and the game still would not be fair. If you want a game that is better balanced, you should play Spartan Chess. There white also goes first, but because black has different pieces, (the Spartans, rather than our Persian pieces) which are on average just a bit stronger, he is compensated for that.

Another way to guarantee the game is absolutely fair is to use the 'pie rule': white first does a move, and then black is allowed to either play on, or swap sides.

EricFleet
QueenNeha wrote:

I dont think white playing first gives additional advantage.

 

Experts have given opinion if Black follows up with correct move everytime,,all chess game will end in a draw. 

These two statements are independent of one another. Simply because chess is a theoretical draw doesn't mean that White does not have an advantage in practical chess. Heck, even engines score higher as White than Black as do humans.

enemyofphilip

I agree. I always play that both colours move at exactly the same time so it's always fair Smile

Ah_Vignette
Ellie47 wrote:

It's not racism it's politics!  Why are we allowing ourselves to be dictated to? Surely we can put our heads together and come up with a fair way of starting the game, I like the flipping the coin idea.  That way is much, much more fair.  You can't argue with a coin, it's just your good luck if you get an extra couple of moves if the coin outcome is in your favour.  I hate being told what to do and what not to do.  Let's be inventive and make up some new rules, so long as they are reasonable and fair, that's what counts in the long run.  Not some dusty old cleric saying back in the 19C ... over the top of his glasses, "white starts!" Hey, we don't have to buy it, this is the 21C we can be creative and think of a better way to open the game!

I think flipping one coin is not fair enough. Both players should flip 100 coins in order to ensure the coin flip is fair. They should do this before every game

SalchanShepherd
capablanca2014 wrote:

I don't think the Queen should have so much power, while the King can barely get around. The King would be much tougher to corner if he had more mobility.

The Queen is so powerful because she had the best contacts. A whispered word in the right ears, the right favors to the right people, could get alot more done than the poster-material King could do.

SeanEnglish
AnarchyBrian wrote:
Ellie47 wrote:

It's not racism it's politics!  Why are we allowing ourselves to be dictated to? Surely we can put our heads together and come up with a fair way of starting the game, I like the flipping the coin idea.  That way is much, much more fair.  You can't argue with a coin, it's just your good luck if you get an extra couple of moves if the coin outcome is in your favour.  I hate being told what to do and what not to do.  Let's be inventive and make up some new rules, so long as they are reasonable and fair, that's what counts in the long run.  Not some dusty old cleric saying back in the 19C ... over the top of his glasses, "white starts!" Hey, we don't have to buy it, this is the 21C we can be creative and think of a better way to open the game!

I think flipping one coin is not fair enough. Both players should flip 100 coins in order to ensure the coin flip is fair. They should do this before every game

But which person flips first? we need a fair way to decide that or the whole process falls apart.

What if they rolled a die to see who flips their 100 coins first? that way the first flipper is decided fairly. 

-BEES-

If you could only ever move pawns 1 space, instead of 2 the first time, then I doubt there would be any advantage for White.

defrancis7

Forgive me for being naive'; but, do not both players in a series of games alternate playing White and Black.  That is, you may play White the first game; then, you play Black the next game (second), then White the third, Black the fourth, etc.

As for having the first move be fair to both players; does not someone have to move first to start the game?  And, does having the first move of the game really impart a guaranteed advantage that wins the game?  I think that if Chess were really fair (to both players), neither player would make a move.

macer75

White does have an advantage; however, as in the long run each player will play white 50% of the time, white's advantage does not translate into any individual player having an advantage.

Problem solved?

johnmusacha

I always play white though.  No exceptions.

macer75
johnmusacha wrote:

I always play white though.  No exceptions.

Looking on your games played on this site, that is not the case.

johnmusacha

I tagged out for those, brah.  Wun me.

macer75

What do you mean you "tagged out"?

Fenris_Venti

Here's an idea. Have the players switch sides.

Radical_Drift
Ellie47 wrote:

I frequently find that I am playing a black side, I have been analyising many games and more white players win than black. I think this chess rule is outdated and should be reviewed, so black and white start first alternately!  Your views on this would be appreciated.

I am not really sure of what you are getting at here. In what sense should they alternate? As in, if you get two Blacks in a row, you should start first in one of them? Is this within the context of chess.com, or over-the-board chess? That would unnecessarily complicate the issue, because how do you know the person you are playing did not have two blacks in a row? All of a sudden, they get the White pieces, and they still do not get to start first? And, the fact is, it does not have anything to do with fairness. Someone has to start first, whether White or Black, and they will still get the advantage.

johnmusacha
macer75 wrote:

What do you mean you "tagged out"?

Kinda like at an ICP concert, brah.

Juggaloz 4 life yo.

[throws up gang signz]

odisea777

hell yeah, level the playing field, undo all the past injustice, equality for all. nice trolling, btw