Why doesn't chess.com award Candidate Master (CM) for USCF???

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Natalia_Pogonina
Elubas wrote:

So in Russia, "NM" is generally superior to the general "IM" title? Wow, those guys are harsh. Ultimately though an individual shouldn't ask the federations for how "masterly" they are -- that's up to him or her to decide. The only problem is that for some countries, some players will be as strong or stronger than USCF NM's, yet won't be enjoying the same free membership.

Maybe chess.com is just too lazy to consider other NM's, I don't know.

Basically, yes. Then goes the Grandmaster of Russia title (2600+ ELO), which is more prestigious than GM. The ultimate title is "Honorary master of sports". To obtain it, one has to earn at least 150 points. To give you a sense of how hard it is, winning the World Chess Championship awards 75 points, European Chess Championship - 35 and the Russian Chess Championship - a meager 10 points, etc. I have recently completed the requirements, but haven't applied yet...

Andre_Harding

I thought that Master of Sport in the Soviet Union and now in Russia corresponded to a rating of 2400+, but I didn't realize it's really 2450+ FIDE! Yikes.

A friend of mine some years ago, when training with GM Yudasin (who was brought up in the Leningrad school), was a strong expert (and would eventually make NM). He told me that Yudasin said to him something like "You are close to American master, but for Russian master...no no no, LOOOONG way to go!"

Following international tournaments I notice that there are LOTS of 2400, 2500+ players from Russia without FIDE titles that are basically strong IM or even GM strength. Incredible.

Andre_Harding
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:
Elubas wrote:

So in Russia, "NM" is generally superior to the general "IM" title? Wow, those guys are harsh. Ultimately though an individual shouldn't ask the federations for how "masterly" they are -- that's up to him or her to decide. The only problem is that for some countries, some players will be as strong or stronger than USCF NM's, yet won't be enjoying the same free membership.

Maybe chess.com is just too lazy to consider other NM's, I don't know.

Basically, yes. Then goes the Grandmaster of Russia title (2600+ ELO), which is more prestigious than GM. The ultimate title is "Honorary master of sports". To obtain it, one has to earn at least 150 points. To give you a sense of how hard it is, winning the World Chess Championship awards 75 points, European Chess Championship - 35 and the Russian Chess Championship - a meager 10 points, etc. I have recently completed the requirements, but haven't applied yet...

*Complete shock*

waffllemaster
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:
Elubas wrote:

So in Russia, "NM" is generally superior to the general "IM" title? Wow, those guys are harsh. Ultimately though an individual shouldn't ask the federations for how "masterly" they are -- that's up to him or her to decide. The only problem is that for some countries, some players will be as strong or stronger than USCF NM's, yet won't be enjoying the same free membership.

Maybe chess.com is just too lazy to consider other NM's, I don't know.

Basically, yes. Then goes the Grandmaster of Russia title (2600+ ELO), which is more prestigious than GM. The ultimate title is "Honorary master of sports". To obtain it, one has to earn at least 150 points. To give you a sense of how hard it is, winning the World Chess Championship awards 75 points, European Chess Championship - 35 and the Russian Chess Championship - a meager 10 points, etc. I have recently completed the requirements, but haven't applied yet...

wow

And the Russian Championship is only 10 points?  How did you get 150?  You're not 15 time Russian champ are you Wink

Andre_Harding

I really wish I could go to Russia for a year or two and play tournaments there. I would get completely smashed for awhile, of course, but I would learn a ton and come back a MUCH stronger player.

Natalia_Pogonina
waffllemaster wrote:
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:
Elubas wrote:

So in Russia, "NM" is generally superior to the general "IM" title? Wow, those guys are harsh. Ultimately though an individual shouldn't ask the federations for how "masterly" they are -- that's up to him or her to decide. The only problem is that for some countries, some players will be as strong or stronger than USCF NM's, yet won't be enjoying the same free membership.

Maybe chess.com is just too lazy to consider other NM's, I don't know.

Basically, yes. Then goes the Grandmaster of Russia title (2600+ ELO), which is more prestigious than GM. The ultimate title is "Honorary master of sports". To obtain it, one has to earn at least 150 points. To give you a sense of how hard it is, winning the World Chess Championship awards 75 points, European Chess Championship - 35 and the Russian Chess Championship - a meager 10 points, etc. I have recently completed the requirements, but haven't applied yet...

wow

And the Russian Championship is only 10 points?  How did you get 150?  You're not 15 time Russian champ are you

World Team Chess Championship: silver (2012) - 35, bronze (2013) - 25

European Team Chess Championship: gold (2011) - 25

European Chess Championship: bronze (2009) - 20

European Club Cup: gold (2011) - 20, silver (2007) - 15

Russian Chess Championship: gold (2012) - 10

And yes, on top of that I am the reigning Olympic chess champion, which typically qualifies for HMoS automatically Wink

Full list of titles here.

Andre_Harding

Wow. Congratulations, Natalia!

waffllemaster

Wow, very nice.  You should apply for the HMoS title.

TetsuoShima
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NCM_Mainlander

I recently earned the title of NCM (National Candidate Master) here in Canada. There are requirements in order to earn the title. One must either attain a rating over 2100, or one must attain a rating over 2000 and have three performance ratings over 2100. I passed both tests.

However, although the NCM is an official CFC title, it is not recognized by Chess.com.

Even if I could get NCM before my name, I would be happy... only because I'm living in an area where getting the NM title or higher will be nearly impossible. I don't even care about getting lifetime diamond membership, I would just like to have the title here and on ICC.

Elubas

Ah, I've seen you on Tactics Trainer I think. Looks like you're quite a strong player; nice work.

netzach
Andre_Harding wrote:
Shadowknight911 wrote:

woohoo officially got my 5th and final norm for Candidate Master, USCF-style.  So can I call myself a candidate master or do I have to wait for the real thing, the FIDE one? 

Congratulations!

Yes, you are now officially a USCF Candidate Master!

Unfortunately Shadowknight911 a/c here was recently closed for cheating!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=67768326

Elubas

Sigh, I had heard that he cheated in an OTB tournament as well. And he's such a strong player too; it's unfortunate he still has such a strong temptation to win or have his opponent lose.

AndyClifton

Wow, that is indeed pretty sad.

netzach

Top-players do lose games (Is part of chess)

http://www.chess.com/news/alekhine-memorial-round-1-2587

On chess.com members must resist the temptation to enter positions into engines until the game is complete.

AndyClifton
-waller- wrote:
A person with the USCF CM title (2000-2299) is not as strong as a person with the FIDE CM title (2200-2299). How is it discrimination? It's merely bizarre labelling from the USCF to name people in the category below master with a name with the word "master" in it.

Actually, it's bizarre labeling from FIDE, since I'm pretty sure that this whole Candidate Master business of theirs is a quite recent addition to their title lineup.

-waller-
AndyClifton wrote:
-waller- wrote:
A person with the USCF CM title (2000-2299) is not as strong as a person with the FIDE CM title (2200-2299). How is it discrimination? It's merely bizarre labelling from the USCF to name people in the category below master with a name with the word "master" in it.

Actually, it's bizarre labeling from FIDE, since I'm pretty sure that this whole Candidate Master business of theirs is a quite recent addition to their title lineup.

Ha, well if it was over 4 years ago it was before my time. That would indeed lead to confusion.

Yeah, sad news about the young player Shadowknight, maybe he felt under too much pressure to improve or something. Whatever the reason, inexcusable I guess, even given his age.

AndyClifton

The same thing happened to me when I played in one of those "Best" tournaments (under my old account).

Andre_Harding
FirebrandX wrote:
netzach wrote:
Andre_Harding wrote:
Shadowknight911 wrote:

woohoo officially got my 5th and final norm for Candidate Master, USCF-style.  So can I call myself a candidate master or do I have to wait for the real thing, the FIDE one? 

Congratulations!

Yes, you are now officially a USCF Candidate Master!

Unfortunately Shadowknight911 a/c here was recently closed for cheating!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=67768326

5 of the 15 players in that knockout have been banned for cheating. It gives you an idea of how pervasive cheating has become when a full 1/3 of your >2200 participants had to be banned. That's why I no longer play CC unless on ICCF or as a pre-agreed centaur match, and I don't play live tournaments unless it's OTB.

+1

netzach

It's a disgrace agreed. Unworthy of plus anything. 

http://www.chess.com/tournament/20th-chesscom-quick-knockouts-2200

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