Why is 10-min considered Rapid?

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JVprof

I'm sure this has been discussed a lot, but it still doesn't make sense to me. A 10-min game feels just like 5|5, which counts as Blitz. I know the rationale is that an average game takes ~40 moves, and so a 10-min game gives you more time per move than 5|5. But you can't play so that you run out of time after 40 moves. A game might take 60 moves, or 80, and you have to stay on the safe side. To me it feels like you have to play a 10-min game just like you would a 5|5 game, maybe even faster.
In contrast, a 10-min game feels very different from a 30-min game, where you really have plenty of time to think. So again, drawing the line between 10-min and 5|5 seems weird to me, but I'm curious what others think.

Martin_Stahl
JVprof wrote:

I'm sure this has been discussed a lot, but it still doesn't make sense to me. A 10-min game feels just like 5|5, which counts as Blitz. I know the rationale is that an average game takes ~40 moves, and so a 10-min game gives you more time per move than 5|5. But you can't play so that you run out of time after 40 moves. A game might take 60 moves, or 80, and you have to stay on the safe side. To me it feels like you have to play a 10-min game just like you would a 5|5 game, maybe even faster.
In contrast, a 10-min game feels very different from a 30-min game, where you really have plenty of time to think. So again, drawing the line between 10-min and 5|5 seems weird to me, but I'm curious what others think.

 

https://www.chess.com/news/view/10-minute-chess-now-rapid-rated-bullet-ratings-increased

 

That has the details for when it was changed.

JVprof

 

Yes, thanks! I've seen that. But I would still maintain my point...
In fact I also think 3|0 should be Bullet rather than Blitz, again more similar to 2|1 than 3|2. 
The psychological effect of having no extra time per move is more significant to me than how much time you get per 40 moves.

Seppppppy
JVprof wrote:

 

Yes, thanks! I've seen that. But I would still maintain my point...
In fact I also think 3|0 should be Bullet rather than Blitz, again more similar to 2|1 than 3|2. 
The psychological effect of having no extra time per move is more significant to me than how much time you get per 40 moves.

i agree.

 

Simplistic_52

No clue

 

Moonwarrior_1

I think it could be considered rapid however 30 min games + would be a different control but *shrugs im not complaining

 

JVprof

Thanks everybody! I know this is unlikely to produce another change, but anyway. I don't care so much about the naming, but IMHO 5|5 & 10|0 should be in the same bag, and 15|10 & 30|0 is another category (you can call it SlowBrain... for ppl like me).

Santoy

In OTB chess, 10|0 is still classed as Blitz but the rating system and categories here are specific to Chess.com so they can define them however they like.

Time controls are probably shorter here because they have to be balanced with pairing time. I play exclusively 15|10 because it can often take several minutes to get paired (2000 +/- 150), longer games would make it even worse. I abandoned trying to play 30 mins.

Chuck639

I agree with a lot of the points here.

I am a horrid blitz and never mind bullet player, but the 5/5 is the only reason why I can maintain a blitz rating because it does resemble a 10/0 rapid game.

With rapid, I prefer 15/10 and rarely time out. 

Comparing the play of 15/10 vs 10/0 vs 5/5, I run into stronger players at 5/5 funny enough. There were times I ran into 1400 players who slid down to 1200. This means 5/5 is skewed with stronger players at the 1200 level.

With 1200 rapid, I am sensing the talent pool is fairly accurate.   

JVprof

Same thing here; I'm personally simply worse at faster games. It feels much easier to play a 1500 opponent in a 30-min game than 10-min or 5|5. I don't know if it's just me (old brain...) or if the people playing 30-min are objectively weaker.

Maybe I would play 10-min if it was Blitz but like this, it would just damage my Rapid rating. 

4Helen4

is the 10 minutes for the whole game or per move? And is it just while you are on there or does it keep ticking away when you close the app and go do something else?

tygxc

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

Eseles
4Helen4 wrote:

is the 10 minutes for the whole game or per move? And is it just while you are on there or does it keep ticking away when you close the app and go do something else?

10 minutes for the whole game

It keeps ticking away when you close the app (It's better to resign than just leave the game, shows respect to your opponent)

 

Eseles
tygxc wrote:


So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

They have some obsession with fast games

 

Cutie_Boy

a game of chess can have between 30 and 50 major moves, so playing 5/5 and 10 minutes is completely different (10 minutes is longer than 5/5)

Cutie_Boy

i think less people paying attention to the 10|0, 3|0 flag will get more attention

Chuck639
Optimissed wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I ended up playing 5/0 because no-one wanted to play at 5/1 or 5/2 and 5/5 is full of people who specialise in blocked positions with many moves, meaning that 5/5 can be a longer game than 10/0 and really boring and low level. The change wrecked all my ratings. Previously my rapid had been quite decent at over 1900 but due to the change I lost a lot of points. I'm a lot better at 15/0 than 10/0 and 5/0. Incidentally there's no real difference between 5/0 and 10/0 in terms of game quality. In one you get to think for two minutes and in the other for seven. It makes no difference so both are blitz in comparison to 15/0 or 20/0, where you can plan a game quite accurately.

I eventually decided to specialise in 5/5. It's taking a lot of adjustment but probably good for my chess and improving my ability, even though I lost a lot of rating.

I recently focused on 5/5 and 15/10 which helped with improvement.

I don’t see much difference with 5/5 vs 10/0 in terms of play quality.

ninjaswat
tygxc wrote:

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

All time controls seem much shorter otb... You can do more moves online than otb in 10+0, which could make it rapid instead of blitz...

eric0022
tygxc wrote:

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

 

But then, playing online and playing FIDE rated tournaments are not exactly the same, With clocks and move notations being automatic here and human reaction time affecting over-the-board games, playing 10|0 over the board feels quicker than playing 10|0 online.

eric0022
ninjaswat wrote:
tygxc wrote:

Laws of chess:
"B.1
A ‘blitz’ game is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 
So yes: 10|0 is blitz and this site erroneously considers it rapid.

All time controls seem much shorter otb... You can do more moves online than otb in 10+0, which could make it rapid instead of blitz...

 

Oops, I posted my post without first seeing that you have already included my point before I even came to this thread.