Why is check a rule?

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Bontrager

I've never understood why check is an actual rule. As a pure term I can understand it, but why should it be illegal to perform a certain move?

 

I should have the option of moving my king into check. And my opponent should then have the option not to take it. As it stands it's just a lollipop rule to prevent beginners from making mistakes. Why shouldn't they be allowed to make mistakes?


If moving into check is illegal, why is it legal to promote to a rook or bishop? It's clearly worse than promoting to a queen, so let's ban it. Beginners could get sad otherwise.

TurboFish

Ah, yes, the King-sacrifice would be even more glorious than the celebrated Queen-sac!

EscherehcsE
Bontrager wrote:

If moving into check is illegal, why is it legal to promote to a rook or bishop? It's clearly worse than promoting to a queen, so let's ban it. Beginners could get sad otherwise.

Sometimes promoting to a queen can result in a stalemate, whereas underpromotion can avoid stalemate.

EscherehcsE

Yeah, instead of a king sac, you could just resign the game. Smile

DefinitelyNotGM

If you could move into check there would be no checkmate

Ballofwhacks

You just don't question these things. It does no good.

macer75

I tend to agree with the OP... If you hang a rook, a minor piece or a queen then it can get taken, and often times it will lead to you losing the game. Yet if you "hang" you King, which should be much more serious than hanging any other piece, nothing happens, and you just have to make a different move.

Na3-NH3

total nonsense...

Bontrager
EscherehcsE wrote:
Bontrager wrote:

If moving into check is illegal, why is it legal to promote to a rook or bishop? It's clearly worse than promoting to a queen, so let's ban it. Beginners could get sad otherwise.

Sometimes promoting to a queen can result in a stalemate, whereas underpromotion can avoid stalemate.

 

Why is it legal to produce stalemate then? Clearly that's bad for the player that is doing it, so it should be banned as well.

EscherehcsE
Bontrager wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
Bontrager wrote:

If moving into check is illegal, why is it legal to promote to a rook or bishop? It's clearly worse than promoting to a queen, so let's ban it. Beginners could get sad otherwise.

Sometimes promoting to a queen can result in a stalemate, whereas underpromotion can avoid stalemate.

 

Why is it legal to produce stalemate then? Clearly that's bad for the player that is doing it, so it should be banned as well.

If stalemate doesn't exist, and check (and by extension, checkmate) doesn't exist, how does the game end?

Start your own Bontrager Chess variant, see who follows. Laughing

(Methinks there's a chance I'm being trolled; Either that, or I'm talking to a 3-year old. (Why? Why? Why?))

granitoman
macer75 escribió:

I tend to agree with the OP... If you hang a rook, a minor piece or a queen then it can get taken, and often times it will lead to you losing the game. Yet if you "hang" you King, which should be much more serious than hanging any other piece, nothing happens, and you just have to make a different move.

So, you mean if you hang your King is an automatic loss. Cause the point of the game is to checkmate the King.

pt22064
Bontrager wrote:

If moving into check is illegal, why is it legal to promote to a rook or bishop? It's clearly worse than promoting to a queen, so let's ban it. Beginners could get sad otherwise.

Underpromotion is sometimes the best strategy.  There was a recent game where Nakamura promoted to a knight to win an otherwise unwinnable game.  Underpromotion is not necessarily a mistake.

macer75
granitoman wrote:
macer75 escribió:

I tend to agree with the OP... If you hang a rook, a minor piece or a queen then it can get taken, and often times it will lead to you losing the game. Yet if you "hang" you King, which should be much more serious than hanging any other piece, nothing happens, and you just have to make a different move.

So, you mean if you hang your King is an automatic loss. Cause the point of the game is to checkmate the King.

It is a loss only if your opponent sees it and captures your King. Which is how it works in OTB blitz games.

Bontrager

Answer my new question instead: why is stalemate allowed? By the same logic as moving into check is banned, producing stalemate should be banned as well. It is always bad to produce stalemate.

 

Me and my friend are having a lot of fun playing without check. Sometimes he moves his king into mine and I don't take because its funny.

macer75
Bontrager wrote:

Answer my new question instead: why is stalemate allowed? By the same logic as moving into check is banned, producing stalemate should be banned as well. It is always bad to produce stalemate.

 

Me and my friend are having a lot of fun playing without check. Sometimes he moves his king into mine and I don't take because its funny.

Moving into check isn't banned because it's bad. It's banned because people want chess games to end with one side having absolutely no way to prevent his King from being captured (aka "checkmate"), rather than ending when one side accidentally allows his King to be captured when he could have avoided it.

EscherehcsE
Bontrager wrote:

Answer my new question instead: why is stalemate allowed? By the same logic as moving into check is banned, producing stalemate should be banned as well. It is always bad to produce stalemate.

 

Me and my friend are having a lot of fun playing without check. Sometimes he moves his king into mine and I don't take because its funny.

Ah, so you DID start a Bontrager chess variant. Excellent!

FancyKnight
Bontrager wrote:

Answer my new question instead: why is stalemate allowed? By the same logic as moving into check is banned, producing stalemate should be banned as well. It is always bad to produce stalemate.

 

Me and my friend are having a lot of fun playing without check. Sometimes he moves his king into mine and I don't take because its funny.

So what you're saying is to hypothetically make stalemate "illegal"? Then I can think of a good example where this would be horrible:



Bontrager

Anyways, sometimes I see pro matches where they move like:

1. Nf3 1... Nf6 2. Ng1 2... Ng8

And then they start over again. Maybe they are having a little bit of fun too or what is the purpose of that?

EscherehcsE
Bontrager wrote:

Anyways, sometimes I see pro matches where they move like:

1. Nf3 1... Nf6 2. Ng1 2... Ng8

And then they start over again. Maybe they are having a little bit of fun too or what is the purpose of that?

I think they might be trying to remember how the horsey moves...

(But seriously, I've never seen this. Can you provide example games?)

FancyKnight
Bontrager wrote:

Anyways, sometimes I see pro matches where they move like:

1. Nf3 1... Nf6 2. Ng1 2... Ng8

And then they start over again. Maybe they are having a little bit of fun too or what is the purpose of that?

Warming up those finger muscles

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