Why is en passant only possible in the next move?

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PilateBlue

Lol it's as if people assume there was just a pressing need for a rule named "en passant" and picked a move that best fit the term. 

PilateBlue
chessmicky wrote:

The en passant rule was put in after the rules had been changed to allow the pawn to go forward 2 squares on it's first turn. The new pawn move had one bad side effect: it gave the player who was under attack the opportunity to lock the pawn formation by puching past the attacking pawn on an ajacent file. The result was sometimes a totally interlocked pawn formation with no opportunities for attck by either side. This was dull. The en passant rule was a little tweak to the rules that made it a bit tougher  for the defender to lock up the pawn formation, and it worked very well.

As to why the rule is in effect for only the next turn, I would have thought that was obvious. The advancing pawn in only available of that third rank square for one turn. After that, it is securely on the fourth rank. These is no situation is chess where you can go and capture a piece on the square it used to be on!

This is the correct answer. Saying that the rule is the way it is because of its name is nonsense though.

g-man15

ignoring the fact that the name does mean "in passing", lets look at it from a purely logistic point of view. if you were able to capture a pawn pushed 2 squares up at any point after that move, it would lead to many arguments in later game over whether that pawn was pushed up one square at a time or not. "so lets simplify it," says some guy. "let's just make it so that you can always capture a pawn with another pawn by moving to the square behind it". at this point, making a pawn push becomes almost impossible, the game becomes overly complicated and the pawns become unbalenced, and pawn structure becomes almost unworkable.

long story short, the way en passant works was done so that the pawns stayed balenced and the game stayed workable.

MSteen

And finally, it would be fantastically hard to keep track of. Is the black pawn on e5 there because it first moved to e6 and then e5? Or is it there because it moved directly from e7 to e5? If the former, then you can never use the en passant rule to capture it. If the latter, why should you be allowed to make all kinds of other captures and developing moves and then decide six moves later that you'd like that pawn after all?

Plus, if I'm moving my pawn out two squares, I KNOW the en passant rule. I know that my opponent can take it, but my strategy tells me that RIGHT NOW it would be a mistake for him to do so. I can't be expected to see many moves into the future where, at some unknown point, it suddenly becomes the right move for him and thereby loses the game for me. It's now or nothing.

Sred
Fiveofswords wrote:

you know chess is just a game of arbitrary rules right?

In the beginning, but once a set of rules is established, rule changes are no longer arbitrary. 

Sred

I begin to believe that names work magically.

PilateBlue

It's amazing how many people think the name of the rule is an adequate explanation.

g-man15

as i said, forget the fact that it is called En Passant. being able to take a pawn that has advanced by 2 at any point after it does so would break the game. no one would ever move up by 2 as it would leaving a hulking weakness in their pawn structure every time they did. we would essentially go back to the point where pawns could only ever move by 1 square at a time. and that's not even mentioning the arguments that people would get into over whether that pawn they just capture went straight to e5 or if they in fact played e6 then e5. (yes you could check the record, but that would take time, and in a tournament, an arbitrator would have to be involved.) so, it is just simpler and more balenced to do it the way it is in the rules now.

Murgen

It's the capturing Pawn that is "passing". When the capturing player takes a Pawn "en passant"... the move the captured Pawn had made would be... in the past, ie not happening now. Laughing

ThrillerFan

I got a few counter-questions for the morons that think you should be able to en passant any time you want to:

1) Does my pawn have to be on the 5th when Black moves his pawn?  Or could I play 1.d4 e5 2.d5 c5 3.Nc3 d6 4.dxe6, or would only 4.dxc6 follow your rules?

2) If Black moves his pawn again, can White still do en passant?  For example, let's say White's pawn is on g5, the only thing on the h-file is Black's h7-pawn.  After 29...h5, given your rules, if I don't have to play 30.gxh6 in order to en passant, is it available for ever, or only as long as the pawn is still on h5?  What about after some other move by White, maybe 30.Kb1, and Black plays 30...h4, 31...h3, 32...h2, can I now play 33.gxh6 and remove the h2-pawn?

 

These two questions should explain why your hypothosis of being able to do it any future move is moronic!

PilateBlue
SzilardUK wrote:

@PilateBlue: let me explain in another way. You have a shotgun, but you can only shoot diagonally forward. A busta from another gang is passing by in your sight. He is not stopping in your sight, he is just passing by. You have to make a decision to shoot him now, or let him live forever. You shoot whilst he is passing by.. Hence the name.

It's not like the name was first and then they made a rule. The rule is called 'en passant' because it is what it is. You don't have to understand it, you don't have to accept it, but it is what it is, whether you find it an adequate explanation or not. ;)

Okay but the entire point of this thread was for the OP to understand why the rule is the way it is.

eoJ1

Beyond what's already been mentioned, it would get incredibly confusing otherwise. You'd have to constantly be keeping track of which pawns had double jumped to the 4th/6th file, and which ones had done it in two moves.

g-man15

everyone keeps repeating what's already been said, so i'm UNTRACKING. bye!

kleelof
TheGrobe wrote:

Why is the ability to make a capture on the first square limited to just pawns?  This I don't know.

It was done to passify the pawns. They were quite upset that they were the first to be sacrificed with this barely obtainable reward of being promoted. 

SO they were given this ability so they could feel more like the big pieces.

TheGrobe

OK, why this ability is limited to only capturing pawns while in passing, then I just don't know.  If a rook or a queen traverses a capture square of one of my pawns why can't I catpure it similarly?

TheGrobe

A well thought out treatise.

kleelof
aravind_war1 wrote:

 en passent is an idiot rule and should be abolished.

So is resigning. I think players should not be able to resign. They should fight to the death.

TheGrobe

I'm not big on the way the knight moves.  I don't have a good alternate suggestion, but we should definitely abolish the current way.

kleelof
TheGrobe wrote:

I'm not big on the way the knight moves.  I don't have a good alternate suggestion, but we should definitely abolish the current way.

The knight moves in an 'L' shape. I would suggest changing it to another letter like 'Z' or 'O'.

kleelof
aravind_war1 wrote:

you cant even en passant with a bishop or rook queen or knight. lol its fucking gay. 

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