There is one, but it does not play. It is only interested in Fischer Random with the Fischer clock.
why is there no bot for bobby fischer
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tygxc wrote:
There is one, but it does not play. It is only interested in Fischer Random with the Fischer clock.
Thank you
I was curious about the answer to this question, and began a little search for engines that emulate certain player moves.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/the-human-side-of-ai-for-chess/
First, the problem is not trivial. This means that it appears to be too expensive to code, unless a deep-pocketed corporation decides to pursue the research on their own nickel. But, as a Patzer who is interested in the history of chess, I'm curious about how much better the players of today are compared to those of the past. How would Bobby Fischer do against Hikaru Nakamura? Both have played hundreds of games, so an engine that could predict move accuracy with XX% where XX > 10 would be a good start. Can we interest a graduate student into tuning an engine to determine if this is at least feasible? I know boxing fans always argue about whether Rocky Marciano could beat Mohammed Ali. The beauty of AI is that it could adjust ELO performance by hundreds of points to equalize Fischer or Kasparov to the players of today. And, certainly, they can probably guess the ELO of a strawman opponent who mimicked those in the era of Fischer or Kasparov.
Bobby Fischer is a controversial figure at this point, I suggest look more into why that is and it may answer your questions. Im not sure if i agree with not having a bot, guess in a way its kind of like removing the Russian flag. I get why, i just dont agree it does anything positive. Personally i think there should be a Fischer bot and the Russian flag should show, even though I disagree with their views and actions.
Akamaister wrote:
I was curious about the answer to this question, and began a little search for engines that emulate certain player moves.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/the-human-side-of-ai-for-chess/
First, the problem is not trivial. This means that it appears to be too expensive to code, unless a deep-pocketed corporation decides to pursue the research on their own nickel. But, as a Patzer who is interested in the history of chess, I'm curious about how much better the players of today are compared to those of the past. How would Bobby Fischer do against Hikaru Nakamura? Both have played hundreds of games, so an engine that could predict move accuracy with XX% where XX > 10 would be a good start. Can we interest a graduate student into tuning an engine to determine if this is at least feasible? I know boxing fans always argue about whether Rocky Marciano could beat Mohammed Ali. The beauty of AI is that it could adjust ELO performance by hundreds of points to equalize Fischer or Kasparov to the players of today. And, certainly, they can probably guess the ELO of a strawman opponent who mimicked those in the era of Fischer or Kasparov.
There have been attempts to do exactly what you are asking about with one analysis saying Carlsen is the most accurate player in history but sometimes there are nuances that must be taken into account. In another analysis Carlsen came in third behind Fischer and Kasparov when it came to blunder count in the same types of positions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v7kTQLnTzk&t=589s
The Chessmetrics analysis rated Fischer 2881 during a one year period but FIDE has never recognized it. From what I understand, Fischer's peak rating was 2895 in October 1971. His one-year peak average was 2881, in 1971. So there is no definitive answer to how they would have fared against one another if they had lived in the same period.
Would have been cool to see magnus beat fischer at 960, i know he doesn’t play but that would have been great to see. Would have certainly solidified him as the best if he beat the old man at his own game. Alas, that will never happen.
”The Chessmetrics analysis rated Fischer 2881 during a one year period but FIDE has never recognized it”
There is not much for FIDE to recognize, Chessmetrics doesn’t measure Elo rating but is another rating system, as is Edo.
Feb 18, 2025
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Fischer, albeit a controversial figure, is one of the most popular chess players in the world.
From his forthcoming to his own conclusion, Robert Fischer is still referred to by many to be the best player to ever live. His games are among my favorite to revisit, and enjoy, albeit even at my low ELO, they're still fascinating, they're still enjoyable.
To say that morals get in the way of beauty is a tough concept. Some people believe the elegance of his games are null when compared to his own statements, his own beliefs.
But how can that be fair? Did Bobby Fischer live a life that many envy? Did Fischer grow up in a home that was solid, that was stable? It seems not like it. Does that excuse his controversial statements? Certainly not. But just as those two facts do not excuse one another, and must both be taken into account, his chess skills are notable. To take away the difficulties of what would be required to create a chess bot for Bobby Fischer, to simply look at the question of whether or not there should be a Bobby Fischer bot, I say there should be one. Just as there should be a Kasparov bot, a Karpov bot. You could even argue a Kramnik bot, although other users on other platforms have joked about that one before me. The truth is, to immortalize someone through their chess skills by keeping them alive using engines that replicate them, it's a dream of all chess players, and it's an honor. The legends of the past pave way for the legends of the future. Remember them, study them, maintain their legacy through the games they played, not the words they said (albeit unless said words were insightful - in Game Review a certain Fischer quote will often appear, to contradict this statement of mine) and help bring others to enjoy the sport, just as Fischer once did all that time ago. The chess bots on Chess.com are a good selection, but to have Lasker, Morphy, Tal, Capablanca, etc. without having Karpov, Kasparov, or Fischer? Tal and Fischer played a good selection of games against one another (my favorite being in 1956). How is it fair to have a bot for Tal, a bot for Capablanca, a bot for Lasker, but no bot for Fischer? For all the beauty and historical value he brought to the game, being possibly the most influential player of all time, and to many people he is the face of Chess (and by 'many people' I mean the regular person - as in, many people I have spoken to will bring up the name Bobby Fischer when thinking of the sport).
All of this is to say, I simply would like to see a Fischer bot, a Kasparov bot added to the site. They're both amazing players, both very fun to watch. And moreover, it's fascinating to see machines attempt to emulate such graceful playing styles.
Why is there no bobby fischer bot