Will playing the 2300 chess bot improve my skill?
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Probably not I had the same suituation with emir but I think you should play bots to practice openings and have fun In offline mode
Well I think it could improve my tactics and strategy since bots around that level seem harder than the people with that rating.
Nov 5, 2022
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Michaelaragones wrote:
Will playing a 2300 chess bot improve my skill over time?
I like to run lines against the 2900 bot just to make sure my game is water tight and the foresee the resulting middle games.
I would not practice below 2700 because the play is more sensible and solid.
the bots aren't perfectly programmed, so a 2300 bot doesn't really play as well as an actual 2300, plus playing with bots is boring, play with actual people it'll improve your time managements better as bots barely take a second to make a move
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
I would not practice below 2700 because the play is more sensible and solid.
The reason to play at different levels is to see the incremental differences and note which moves are more crucial. If you only use the highest accurate move possible, you are going to run into moves you can't understand and are not within arm's reach of understanding.
In addition, it is good to study secondary lines because if your opponent also plays the best move, then you both are more likely to reach a draw, and there could have been opportunities along the way had you played the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best move.
I hit the analysis and game review button afterwards.
I have a very limited repertoire where I enjoy and understand the middle plans and ideas so I rarely deviate too far. Worst case, I forward it to my coach.
Chuck639, have playing bots improved your chess?
Why won’t playing chess bots improve your skill?
Nov 5, 2022
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Michaelaragones wrote:
Chuck639, have playing bots improved your chess?
When I say bot, I am talking about the engine at 2900 or 3200 strength.
It has helped me with coming up with middle game plans and ideas. I play up to certain positions, then rewind it and play a second candidate move to foresee the resulting position. You keep an eye on the evaluation bar and engine suggestions; yay or nay?
Its 2022 and the technology is there so why not use it?
I rather spend 5 minutes with an engine on a line than burn up the clock OTB because I don’t recognize a pattern or structure. Recognizing patterns and mitigating mistakes are where the value is. Similarly how I drills tons of tactics in hopes of finding a tactic in a live game. Doing 10,00 tactics yearly is overkill but if you find execute that one finishing sequence in a game; it’s worth it.
I always hit the analysis and game review afterwards to further dive in detail. If there’s something I don’t understand, I’ll forward it to my coach.
I am in a remote area so it’s not no unusual to study and do prep for 3-6 months and travel 6 hours to play a tournament.
Why rush it?
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
I would not practice below 2700 because the play is more sensible and solid.
The reason to play at different levels is to see the incremental differences and note which moves are more crucial. If you only use the highest accurate move possible, you are going to run into moves you can't understand and are not within arm's reach of understanding.
In addition, it is good to study secondary lines because if your opponent also plays the best move, then you both are more likely to reach a draw, and there could have been opportunities along the way had you played the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best move.
I hit the analysis and game review button afterwards.
I have a very limited repertoire where I enjoy and understand the middle plans and ideas so I rarely deviate too far. Worst case, I forward it to my coach.
From what you are stating and your game history, playing a high engine is not the solution. You are in fact digging at the in betweens by playing lower rated bots and getting help from a coach.
Depends on your goals?
Training for classical OTB vs playing online for fun in 15/10 rapid or 5/5 blitz is comparing apples to oranges therefore your argument is dismissed.
You can effectively utilize engine prep and coaching for OTB play.
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
"Its 2022 and the technology is there so why not use it?"
Because then you are always having to jump high for the next move. If you are training to play in the Candidates, go for it. If you are at the club player level then it's not worth it. It would be like a high school student trying to learn PhD material but never needing it to graduate.
It’s not as hard as you make it sound. Again, if I understand and enjoy testing out ideas and plans; the tool is there and I leave it at that.
It takes 5 minutes.
I have a hard time understanding how playing a 2300 or 2400 doesn’t improve your playing level, I’ve played a few 2300’s before and they were not nearly as good as 2300-2400 bot.
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
It’s not as hard as you make it sound out or be. Again, if I understand and enjoy testing the ideas and plans; the tool there and I leave it at that.
The question was, "Will playing a 2300 chess bot improve my skill over time?"
Testing ideas and plans is another thing.
How do you train pattern recognition?
How do you come up with middle game plans and ideas?
What middle game positions do you enjoy?
How do you mitigate mistakes? Blunder checks. Familiarity.
How do you train tactics?
5 minutes with an engine is all it takes to find out.
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Michaelaragones wrote:
I have a hard time understanding how playing a 2300 or 2400 doesn’t improve your playing level, I’ve played a few 2300’s before and they were not nearly as good as 2300-2400 bot.
You'll have to ask the resident expert here, Chuck639, with a rating of 1400 in rapid and blitz. Just play a 2900 or 3200 strength. The truth is, they are not playing it. They are pasting in a FEN of a position probably and then going from there. Completely different thing.
Ok, now you’re just being insulting. Go beat 1900 players OTB and report back.
You don’t know me OTB.
I don’t owe you any explanation on my training regiment and surely will not reveal it to you.
Especially to a one day old account. Do not give pearls to swine?
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Ok, now you’re just being insulting. Go beat 1900 players OTB and report back.
Me beating 1900 players OTB proves that a 1400 player online can beat a 2900 to 3200 strength engine?
You’re just being a troll.
The question was can you improve with playing bots? Not beating them.
And I am referring to engine prep when testing out ideas and middle game plans.
I’m not trying to be insulting or anything but clearly the training regiment isn’t as good as you say it is if you are still 1400. Although I believe running the engine and analyzing your games helps improvement, just not in 5 minutes, because if It did you would be at the candidates.
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Can you now see why I am doubting your advice?
Cut to the chase!
You are a one day old account.
using the engine at 2900 or 3200 is only what it is good for, you won’t improve by playing a super grandmaster bot at your level, that’s like learning to run before you walk.
Nov 5, 2022
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Michaelaragones wrote:
using the engine at 2900 or 3200 is only what it is good for, you won’t improve by playing a super grandmaster bot at your level, that’s like learning to run before you walk.
Tactics puzzles is not chess but will you improve by understanding and doing them?
If you had to put a training program for 1400-1800 players, what would it consist of?
Nov 5, 2022
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TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TurkeySpeaks4ItsSelf wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Ok, now you’re just being insulting. Go beat 1900 players OTB and report back.
Me beating 1900 players OTB proves that a 1400 player online can beat a 2900 to 3200 strength engine?
You’re just being a troll.
The question was can you improve with playing bots? Not beating them.
And you went from 1300 to 1400 using a 2900-3200 engine? Why can't you go from 1400-1500 also then? I am not trolling, I am genuinely interested in why you peaked out at 1400.
I spend most of my focus on OTB and the time controls are classical.
I play 15/10 rapid and 5/5 sporadically for fun (you already have seen my rapid schedule for this year; it’s not many games relative to many and they come in bunches when I do play, then stop for long intervals. You also know that I frequently beat players 200-400 ratings points above me). I try to refrain from speed chess but sometimes you get the chess itch to play and online is a convenient avenue.
I am slowly and surely improving in “slow chess” and blessed to have training partners in that department which is one of the main reasons I am a member here. It took a lot of discipline to roll back online chess because I had to strip poor habits.
I am snowed in this weekend, if you like, it would be my pleasure to run some unrated 5/5 or 15/10 with you?
Will playing a 2300 chess bot improve my skill over time?