At the same time I do not want to appear too negative here but some people seem to think that getting a GM title is as easy as obtaining a driver's license, not quite folks, not quite.
Will you become a CM ? ( or a NM, or a IM etc )
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I think a player can reach candidate master with a lot work if they don't have no talent and with some work with a lot talent. The problem players don't want to do the work and stay at whatever rating they attain. Any player who attains 1800 elo is talent and very few players in my chess club ever reach that level.
An interesting thread from our resident Cabby Master.
FIDE needs to change the requirement, now it is 2200 elo to become CM; and USFC it is 2000- 2199 to become expert. Any player who 2000 FIDE is an expert. And to become FIDE master it is only hundred points more [2300 elo], it doesn't seem practical at all. The new requirement should be 2000-2199 elo to become CM and to be a FIDE master 2200 elo and up , this seem more reasonable.
Jul 19, 2015
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AlCzervik wrote:
An interesting thread from our resident Cabby Master.
--- Thanks for the very nice post AlCzervik. Well I guess we try a variety of subjects for our threads, so far my topic on " Oldtimers " has the most posts of all my threads. It's nice when people take the time to leave a post.
Jul 19, 2015
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yureesystem wrote:
FIDE needs to change the requirement, now it is 2200 elo to become CM; and USFC it is 2000- 2199 to become expert. Any player who 2000 FIDE is an expert. And to become FIDE master it is only hundred points more [2300 elo], it doesn't seem practical at all. The new requirement should be 2000-2199 elo to become CM and to be a FIDE master 2200 elo and up , this seem more reasonable.
--- Thanks for the info Yureeystem. You make some good points.
@cabadenwurt Nice flag.
Even if you have immense talent you'd need more than 30 days for GM. You'd need lots of travel, and there isn't a big FIDE tournament every day, and then you have to get out of provisional and obtain norms. Also, tournaments have this thing called seeding, which is basically setting you up to fail against titled players. Let's say there are 16 people in a tournament, the best will play the eight best while the seventh best will play the worst. This is set up so that the top seed will face either the second or fourth seed in the finals (the third seed would likely be beat by the first seed in the semis.)
Even GM in a year or two is ludicrous even assuming great talent because there is just so much you need to know, if you're CM strength for example you're facing people who know the same basics and have the same grasp of middle and endgame positions you do, so you need to shore up weaker areas and obtain even more specialized skills.
Jul 21, 2015
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Nipplewise wrote:
@cabadenwurt Nice flag.
--- Thanks for the post, yes I like the flag too lol.
Jul 21, 2015
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TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
Even if you have immense talent you'd need more than 30 days for GM. You'd need lots of travel, and there isn't a big FIDE tournament every day, and then you have to get out of provisional and obtain norms. Also, tournaments have this thing called seeding, which is basically setting you up to fail against titled players. Let's say there are 16 people in a tournament, the best will play the eight best while the seventh best will play the worst. This is set up so that the top seed will face either the second or fourth seed in the finals (the third seed would likely be beat by the first seed in the semis.)
Even GM in a year or two is ludicrous even assuming great talent because there is just so much you need to know, if you're CM strength for example you're facing people who know the same basics and have the same grasp of middle and endgame positions you do, so you need to shore up weaker areas and obtain even more specialized skills.
--- Thanks for all of the info.
I think any baby can become a GM (barring any disorders or other specific cases) but certainly any 20-year old who is rated under 2000 probably can't do it. Any 20-year old rated under 1000 probably can't become any sort of master, but there may be special cases. In general, people don't improve past their thirties or so, when their brain stops changing and it becomes hard for them to learn how to play chess better. However, that isn't always the case; I have a friend who is about four times my age and he has gained 200 points in the past year. He's a rare case though.
I hope I'm in time to reach my goal of 2200. I am 16 years old rated around 1800. But I often feel that I play like an old man, sometimes missing simple stuff and not calculating clearly, so I'm scared that those issues will never resolve themselves because I'm only going to get older.
Jul 21, 2015
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dpnorman wrote:
I think any baby can become a GM (barring any disorders or other specific cases) but certainly any 20-year old who is rated under 2000 probably can't do it. Any 20-year old rated under 1000 probably can't become any sort of master, but there may be special cases. In general, people don't improve past their thirties or so, when their brain stops changing and it becomes hard for them to learn how to play chess better. However, that isn't always the case; I have a friend who is about four times my age and he has gained 200 points in the past year. He's a rare case though.
I hope I'm in time to reach my goal of 2200. I am 16 years old rated around 1800. But I often feel that I play like an old man, sometimes missing simple stuff and not calculating clearly, so I'm scared that those issues will never resolve themselves because I'm only going to get older.
--- Thanks for the interesting post.
Jul 21, 2015
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CM is possible and easy to get, (it would only take a few years to get it!!). The easiest way to get it is score 50% (playing all rounds) in a World tournament.
No to any chess title. I dont have the desire to put in the required amount of work.
The suggested rating for CM is 2200 Elo, but I know of many players that got it with a rating of < 2000 by performing at a certain level in some tournament. Sort of makes it a joke if you win the World under 8 then you get the FM title automatically. Even though you generally need a 2300 rating the under 8 players struggle to be 2000.http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4010268/a-gm-is-a-gm--fide-title-devaluation-260613.aspx
Chess.Com give generous perks for these titled holders.
You forgot FIDE master (FM)
We had a thread on the go here about becoming a GM in 30 days ( I kid you not ), also there was one stating that " Anyone can become a GM ". This begs the question why not shoot for a more realistic goal at first such as becoming a CM ( Candidate Master ) ? If and when you get to that level you can work towards the NM title ( National Master ) followed by trying to get to IM ( International Master ). Even if a person does get to the GM level later on there is also the possibily of trying to reach the " Super " GM level. Let us use a Golf comparison and go back to when Tiger Woods was at the top of his game. Of the millions of people who play Golf on this planet how many would NEVER be able to play in the same tournaments as Tiger ? ( the answer is 99.99 % ).