Win an exchange (Rook for Knight) or win a free minor piece - which is better?

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JayeshSinhaChess

Suppose you have a knight that is forking your opponent's rook as well as a bishop. Now if you take the rook, then the knight gets captured, however the bishop is just hanging.

 

Which one would you take - The Rook or the bishop.

 

If you take the rook you are +2 and with the free bishop you are +3. However is it really that simple a calculation.

JustOneUSer
I think I'd take the rook, not sure though.
JustOneUSer
Not sure at all
Zev7

probably usually better to take the bishop but it depends on the situation... the one advantage of taking the rook is that it'll be your move again after you gain 2 points, whereas taking the bishop, although gaining 3 points, gives the opponent the next move.

Zobral

It depends on the position. impossible to say for sure.

MickinMD

In general gaining a minor piece is better than R for minor piece.

In the 1990's, Larry Kaufmann's celebrated study of over 80,000,000 positions, published in Chess Life, gave the following average values: P=1, B = N = 3.25, R = 5, Q = 9.75.  Having 2 B's vs B + N or 2 N's is worth 0.5.

So going up a B is a 3.25 P advantage, where going up a R for an N is a 1.75 P advantage.

Of course, it all depends on the position: if getting rid of the Rook, for example, undermines your opponent's attack or defense it might be the better choice.

I just had a game where I had the choice of gaining a R for N with a good position or gaining a full N with a hard to defend position.  I went for the whole gain of an N and struggled to organize my pieces, maintained my material advantage by sac'ing a P, then finally pulled out the win.  I would have been smarter to do the R for N advantage, which Stockfish 8's 20-ply analysis confirmed, saying I would have been 4.32P ahead if I took the White R in the game below after White's 13th move, losing the N, instead of my move Nxb3 - which led to me being an whole N ahead and which put me only 2.71P ahead. My move with the Black Knight on move 14 was the one where I should have just gone R for N:

 

Maeiv

dependant on a lot of things. piece activity, which color squares are weaker etc. for instance i wouldn't take a rook for bishop exchange if the bishop was black and theyd have incredibly weak dark squares after i took it, or if my dark squares were at risk of being compromised, i would rather go further into the game without a blatant weakness like that.

Maeiv

Maeiv wrote:

dependant on a lot of things. piece activity, which color squares are weaker etc. for instance i wouldn't take a rook for bishop exchange if the bishop was black and theyd have incredibly weak dark squares after i took it, or if my dark squares were at risk of being compromised, i would rather go further into the game without a blatant weakness like that.

a knight id trade for a rook in a very open position where the knights moving pattern isnt so explosive. as opposed to taking a free piece that is. but an exchange is always good. since knights hop from dark squares to light sacrificing one of them wont make your board so weak

RookSacrifice_OLD

Free piece is worth about 2X the amount the exchange is worth

catabc
Id take the bishop if there's two otherwise I'd take the rook
varelse1

Whenever I have a choice, I take the free minor piece.

The way I see it is this: if I move my rook to attack a pawn, his bishop defends it, then thats it, I have to forget about that pawn, and move onto something else.

But if I move my bishop to attack a pawn, his bishop defends it, then I move my knight to attack it again, I am going to win even more material!

And the snowball keeps getting bigger.