Winner of Women's vs Men's chess champions should get the title WORLD Champion

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PrivatePilotBartram

I really feel the concept of having a world Champion is a singular definition. However we end up with two champions, as the chess world has not caught up to 21st century yet and still some believe women can not play as good as men at Chess, which is crap.

I don't like the W tags on their titles because just implies they are some how different or play a different game to everyone else and we don't see them calling this Championship the " men's world Chess Championship". So I don't know how you can claim everything is Equal when you name and set everything different.

The idea of having 1 Champion means 1 World Chess Champion. Not two.  It is about time that after we get a Woman Chess Champion and The men finish crowning their champion. The Two should compete for the title, World Chess Champion.  It is time FIDA stop acting like the MLB and the world series except its not its national.  Where as FIDA tries to pass off 2 Champions  as 1. Women are just as good as men at chess, it is time FIDA dispell that myth that they aren't  and that is never going to happen if the two never meet in serious competition like this. Not in some stream performance.

The World Chess Champion, doesn't need a gender definition. As it implies a Champion of the world of which everyone in the said world, both male and female. 

llama47

There's no such thing as a chess tournament or FIDE title that excludes female players. The only gender-exclusionary tournaments and titles are exclusionary towards males.

Although, considering the OP (both the user and text) you already knew this and it's just a low effort troll.

PrivatePilotBartram

I'm sorry it's my fault I keep hoping beyond hope, that it is possible to talk civily on here without having to explain the mundane.  I know better and I still posted anyway more fool me. You know that isn't what I said or what I was explaining.  All female titles have the w- tag attached to it. Women can not get the "World Chess Champion" with out the "woman" attached. 

The Crowned Queen of Chess and "King" of chess should face each other for the Title World Chess Champion.  Not have the title World Chess champion be exclusive to men only.

If the FAA can change the meaning of NOTAM "Notice to Airmen" which has been so since 1940s to Notice to Air Mission.  Then FIDA can do the same.  I want women to be able to play and compete and win the title's without having their gender labelled in their title. When we stop singling it out. or point it out then they will be equal. However while  there is such a thing as a GM and WGM. They will always be different. It is time we stop trying to treat everyone as though they are different.  Carlson is a Men's Chess champion not the world.

FAA changes meaning of NOTAM December 2nd 2021

Spagbr0

Pretty sure a woman can just use whatever title she has achieved. The barriers for the titles starting with a W are lower, but it doesn't mean that they must be used. People like Pia Cramling and Judit Polgar are both WGM's and GM's, so they can use either title. When a woman wins the open world championship she'll just be called world champion, not women's. Magnus isn't the men's champion, he's the overall world champion because the tournaments he plays in can also be played in by women.

 

tl;dr WGM/WIM/WFM are different titles to GM/IM/FM, and people can use whichever they achieve as far as I'm aware

Closed_username1234
Spagbr0 wrote:

Pretty sure a woman can just use whatever title she has achieved. The barriers for the titles starting with a W are lower, but it doesn't mean that they must be used. People like Pia Cramling and Judit Polgar are both WGM's and GM's, so they can use either title. When a woman wins the open world championship she'll just be called world champion, not women's. Magnus isn't the men's champion, he's the overall world champion because the tournaments he plays in can also be played in by women.

 

tl;dr WGM/WIM/WFM are different titles to GM/IM/FM, and people can use whichever they achieve as far as I'm aware

That's kind of silly though.

Women titles are earned 200 points before male titles. So it is proper to add the W before.

The WGM title is reached at 2300 FIDE. However, a male needs 2500 to become GM.

That 200 points is a big difference, so both calling them a GM is misleading.

 

We outta change the requirements for women to the same as men. Adding the extra titles and making it easier is kinda sexist. Hopefully I'm not the only one that thinks this.

 

llama47
PrivatePilotBartram wrote:

Women can not get the "World Chess Champion" with out the "woman" attached

Incorrect.

Read my post again.

Jenium
PrivatePilotBartram wrote:

I really feel the concept of having a world Champion is a singular definition. However we end up with two champions, as the chess world has not caught up to 21st century yet and still some believe women can not play as good as men at Chess, which is crap.

I don't like the W tags on their titles because just implies they are some how different or play a different game to everyone else and we don't see them calling this Championship the " men's world Chess Championship". So I don't know how you can claim everything is Equal when you name and set everything different.

The idea of having 1 Champion means 1 World Chess Champion. Not two.  It is about time that after we get a Woman Chess Champion and The men finish crowning their champion. The Two should compete for the title, World Chess Champion.  It is time FIDA stop acting like the MLB and the world series except its not its national.  Where as FIDA tries to pass off 2 Champions  as 1. Women are just as good as men at chess, it is time FIDA dispell that myth that they aren't  and that is never going to happen if the two never meet in serious competition like this. Not in some stream performance.

 

The World Chess Champion, doesn't need a gender definition. As it implies a Champion of the world of which everyone in the said world, both male and female. 

Didn't Ms. Botez explain how the WC thing works?

Arnaut10

Its great that you want to fight for equal rights and support woman to play more chess, but the way you are doing it rn is simply not right. You are only causing opposite of what you are trying to achieve and I have a feeling you are doing it intentionally. As a woman after reading your post I got totally different impression. It seems like you think putting W before title (having seperate titles for women) is unfair to men because 2300 and 2500 is a big difference to reach GM and its easier for women. Well you will have to educate yourself more and think again about that, I won't explain that part for/to you. Important thing you should take out of this is - Chess is not only for men, woman can join any tournament she wants just like if she were a man. That means next WC can be a woman if she is strong enough to qualify for candidates, has a great performance, gets 1st place to become challenger and finally wins the match against current WC. There is no rule against this.

Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe
I second #8 and #12. I think they should take out women titles. Just like someone else said it can be very misleading when a title is “women grandmaster”. It sounds like you are a grandmaster and also a women but in reality you’re just a fide master(waaaaaaay below an actual grandmaster). To those who say that the women titles are to encourage more women to play chess, why? Honestly, why should anyone care if more women play chess? I do care that chess becomes more popular as a whole because then funding will become more available along with other good things but I don’t care that it only rises in popularity in a certain group. This new age is all about finding a group that is “oppressed” and then giving them a bunch of crap so you can feel self-righteous.
Ohyesssquirt

Y’all boring wanna do a zoom

 

Ohyesssquirt

Fu,ck this

nklristic
PrivatePilotBartram wrote:

I really feel the concept of having a world Champion is a singular definition. However we end up with two champions, as the chess world has not caught up to 21st century yet and still some believe women can not play as good as men at Chess, which is crap.

I don't like the W tags on their titles because just implies they are some how different or play a different game to everyone else and we don't see them calling this Championship the " men's world Chess Championship". So I don't know how you can claim everything is Equal when you name and set everything different.

The idea of having 1 Champion means 1 World Chess Champion. Not two.  It is about time that after we get a Woman Chess Champion and The men finish crowning their champion. The Two should compete for the title, World Chess Champion.  It is time FIDA stop acting like the MLB and the world series except its not its national.  Where as FIDA tries to pass off 2 Champions  as 1. Women are just as good as men at chess, it is time FIDA dispell that myth that they aren't  and that is never going to happen if the two never meet in serious competition like this. Not in some stream performance.

 

The World Chess Champion, doesn't need a gender definition. As it implies a Champion of the world of which everyone in the said world, both male and female. 

What you say isn't true because you didn't research the topic and you do not know all of the facts. I will explain it now.

World championship title is not only for men. For instance, Judit Polgar is the best female chess player and she played in the Candidates tournament once. The winner of that tournament becomes the challenger to the world title. So woman can be a world champion in OPEN category, because there is no such thing as men world champion. It is actually open world champion. Everyone can compete, including women. Women world championship is of course for female players only, and the point is to promote the game.


Second, I believe you do not really understand titles as well.

GM = grandmaster is an open title as well, and female chess player can get it just as men do, by getting 2 500 FIDE points and acquiring 3 norms. There are multiple female players that hold this title.

WGM aka women grandmaster title is not the same as GM title. WGM title is for female chess players only and they need to have 2 300 FIDE points (I don't know if norms are required for it, but it doesn't matter for this story). WGM is not the same as GM.




BlindThief

How some of y’all say the stuff you say about women and not have your girl slap you around is beyond me.

 

Actually, y’all just keep on.

Ohyesssquirt

Daddy creams on me at night 

josephyossi

zamn

Warbler
PrivatePilotBartram wrote:

I really feel the concept of having a world Champion is a singular definition. However we end up with two champions, as the chess world has not caught up to 21st century yet and still some believe women can not play as good as men at Chess, which is crap.

I don't like the W tags on their titles because just implies they are some how different or play a different game to everyone else and we don't see them calling this Championship the " men's world Chess Championship". So I don't know how you can claim everything is Equal when you name and set everything different.

The idea of having 1 Champion means 1 World Chess Champion. Not two.  It is about time that after we get a Woman Chess Champion and The men finish crowning their champion. The Two should compete for the title, World Chess Champion.  It is time FIDA stop acting like the MLB and the world series except its not its national.  Where as FIDA tries to pass off 2 Champions  as 1. Women are just as good as men at chess, it is time FIDA dispell that myth that they aren't  and that is never going to happen if the two never meet in serious competition like this. Not in some stream performance.

 

The World Chess Champion, doesn't need a gender definition. As it implies a Champion of the world of which everyone in the said world, both male and female. 

I could be mistaken but I thought women could compete for the World Chess Championship.  Are there any tournaments connected to getting into the candidates' tournament, that are male only?
Also, if you only want one world champion, fine.  End the womens' only titles, make sure all tournaments and competitions open to both genders(including transgenders and al those that identify as something else) and treat all equally and there you go.

nklristic
Warbler wrote:
PrivatePilotBartram wrote:

I really feel the concept of having a world Champion is a singular definition. However we end up with two champions, as the chess world has not caught up to 21st century yet and still some believe women can not play as good as men at Chess, which is crap.

I don't like the W tags on their titles because just implies they are some how different or play a different game to everyone else and we don't see them calling this Championship the " men's world Chess Championship". So I don't know how you can claim everything is Equal when you name and set everything different.

The idea of having 1 Champion means 1 World Chess Champion. Not two.  It is about time that after we get a Woman Chess Champion and The men finish crowning their champion. The Two should compete for the title, World Chess Champion.  It is time FIDA stop acting like the MLB and the world series except its not its national.  Where as FIDA tries to pass off 2 Champions  as 1. Women are just as good as men at chess, it is time FIDA dispell that myth that they aren't  and that is never going to happen if the two never meet in serious competition like this. Not in some stream performance.

 

The World Chess Champion, doesn't need a gender definition. As it implies a Champion of the world of which everyone in the said world, both male and female. 

I could be mistaken but I thought women could compete for the World Chess Championship.  Are there any tournaments connected to getting into the candidates' tournament, that are male only?
Also, if you only want one world champion, fine.  End the womens' only titles, make sure all tournaments and competitions open to both genders and transgenders and treat all equally and there you go.

Yes, they can. Polgar competed in 2007. Candidates tournament.

2007. Candidates tournament

batgirl

What in the world do women's titles have to do with any of the world chess championships?

muskiewhisperer
Also calling this one a troll, sorry.
batgirl

I think he's just someone unfamiliar with the ways of the chess world.

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