You should only be allowed to promote a pawn with a piece that has been captured

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Bartleby73

OK, I want to produce yet another one of these pointless and brainless "we need to change the rules of chess" threads. 

My proposal is that when promoting a pawn, you should only be allowed to pick from the pieces that you have lost so far. 

For the experienced players, this rule would make little change in most games. By the time a pawn gets promoted, the queens have been exchanged anyway. 

The reason for such a rule change is clear:

No reason to have additional queens  or knights. One set will always be enough. 

I would not need to have spare queens to give out to the clever kids, there would be less stalemates because the kids eager to get multiple queens are not clever enough to coordinate all the queens. Instead, they would hopefully learn how to properly checkmate. 

On top of that, it may make the game a bit more fun in the rare case that you get a pawn across before you lose your queen as which of the pieces slain should be revived. 

Chessman265

I hope this is a troll forum. Please, please let this be a troll.

Bartleby73

no seriously, I believe that would be good. Would save me some trouble, I believe. I am sure most GMs would not mind. Please can we have that change?

Ubik42

Actually I rather like the idea. I dont think it would have that big an effect.

Chessman265

Well, chess.com isn't the USCF. Post it on their page lol.

Dale

Maybe you could get an extra bonus for queening before you make a capture  a non pawn piece by being able to vapourize your opponents queen

and promoting to it.

This might be a great idea since you more or less would lose if your opponent queens so early it could lead to new openings maybe .

Bartleby73
FirebrandX wrote:

It can lead to a forced stalemate, which wouldn't really be fair to the winning side.

 

That would a possible, but very rare situation. 

 

It also doesn't take into account a situation where a pawn makes it to the 8th without a piece being taken.

 

I must have watched more than 1000 bizarre kiddie games, but nothing that bad has ever happened. Ok, maybe it has. But that is something I would  not even consider to be a real game. In such a weird event, the pawn would have to stay where it is and promote once a piece is free. 

 

 

MSC157

What if no major or minor piece has been captured yet? Only pawns?

Ubik42
MSC157 wrote:

What if no major or minor piece has been captured yet? Only pawns?

Exactly. Adds a new element of strategy to the game. You might even have a case of someone doing a suicide attack with a piece, netting a pawn, then promoting the piece back next move. Hopefully the pawn taken disrputs the pawn structure, because otherwise its an even trade!

Bartleby73
Ubik42 wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

What if no major or minor piece has been captured yet? Only pawns?

Exactly. Adds a new element of strategy to the game. You might even have a case of someone doing a suicide attack with a piece, netting a pawn, then promoting the piece back next move. Hopefully the pawn taken disrputs the pawn structure, because otherwise its an even trade!

you guys must have watched just as many kiddie games as I have. 


People, you have to admit that in at least 99% of all games sane people play this rule change would not make any difference.

baddogno

So you're proposing a major rules change because of annoyance with having to carry extra queens for scholastic players?  Seriously?

Bartleby73

Hmm, I guess these players would have produced exciting games of a slightly different sort. 

It is less about carrying extra queens and more about me having to  rush to meet the kids demand that I give them extra queens when they could checkmate with a single one.

MSC157

But you still didn't answer my question. Or did I miss it?

Bartleby73
MSC157 wrote:

What if no major or minor piece has been captured yet? Only pawns?

you missed it. But since I admire your chess speed so much, I will answer the question again: The damn pawn stays where he is until something is there to promote him into.

 

Now tell me how this scenario could possibly happen in a game where both  players are older than 6.

WobblySquares

This is not such a bad idea in practical chess. But the problems begin with compositions and ofcourse the one in a million shot where you get to promote at an important game..with all your pieces on. 

Ofcourse it's also not a new idea. Smile On the Commodore64 there were several programs where you could only promote to a previously captured piece because of how theirs limited piece lists worked internally. MicroChess and MyChess for example if I remember right.

Ygal

just play shogi instead

Swindlers_List

Ok what here:



WobblySquares
AssauIt schreef:

Ok what here:

 

Good example.

MSC157
Bartleby73 wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

What if no major or minor piece has been captured yet? Only pawns?

The damn pawn stays where he is until something is there to promote him into.

Now tell me how this scenario could possibly happen in a game where both  players are older than 6.

Aha, ok. It will wait (on the 8th rank) to be captured. 

David210

when u change the rules of chess in tat way, many fans will leave chess, when its working keep it tat way.