Tablebases are considered cheating. Like engines they provide solutions to what the best move in a given position would be. Databases are merely records of games played; opening books, while more authoritative, are still based on prior experience and theory, and fall in the database region.
All are banned for live chess though.
educate me...what are tablebases?
educate me...what are tablebases?
They can tell you perfect play from any position, although they can't handle more than seven pieces so for now they only work for endgames.
your very personal database - NOT cheating!
There shouldn't be any asistance at all. If you can't access the information while playing OTB in a tournament, then you can't access the information on the internet. You'll be in for a rude awakening when you play in a real game against a guy 400 points lower than you and you get outplayed in the opening, struggle in an inferior middle game, and then go on to the endgame to lose.
Tablebases are something new they been working on in the last 10 years.
they are "solutions" to late endgame positions with only few peices left.
On the internet, you can for free find out the result of any possible engame with 6 pieces or less.
If you willing to download, they have solved all positions with even more pieces. (Up to 9, I believe. Not positive.)
Some of the tablebase conclusions have overturned centuries of accepted theory, surprising even the Grandmasters.
There shouldn't be any asistance at all. If you can't access the information while playing OTB in a tournament, then you can't access the information on the internet. You'll be in for a rude awakening when you play in a real game against a guy 400 points lower than you and you get outplayed in the opening, struggle in an inferior middle game, and then go on to the endgame to lose.
As I said, live chess, which is considered on chess.com to be equivalent to OTB play, no assistance is allowed. So-called "online chess" is equivalent to correspondence chess where databases and opening books (but no active assistance) are allowed.
Tablebases are something new they been working on in the last 10 years.
they are "solutions" to late endgame positions with only few peices left.
On the internet, you can for free find out the result of any possible engame with 6 pieces or less.
If you willing to download, they have solved all positions with even more pieces. (Up to 9, I believe. Not positive.)
Some of the tablebase conclusions have overturned centuries of accepted theory, surprising even the Grandmasters.
Chess is solved for six or fewer pieces (including kings and pawns) remaining.
If anyone knows of it being solved for more, I'm interested to learn where this is. Last I heard, it is hoped to solve for 7 pieces by 2015.
There shouldn't be any asistance at all. If you can't access the information while playing OTB in a tournament, then you can't access the information on the internet. You'll be in for a rude awakening when you play in a real game against a guy 400 points lower than you and you get outplayed in the opening, struggle in an inferior middle game, and then go on to the endgame to lose.
True that.
But opening books have been allowed in Postal chess for decades. Not for the reason that it made postal chess better. Just for the reason that there was no way to stop anybody, and they didn't want to punish oonly the honest players.
This was why the top postal players often relied on offbeat openings like 1.g3 and 1.b4. Just to make their opponents MCO's less useful.
you're probably right david. I'm always the last one they tell, so i'm rarely a good source of tech info.
There shouldn't be any asistance at all. If you can't access the information while playing OTB in a tournament, then you can't access the information on the internet. You'll be in for a rude awakening when you play in a real game against a guy 400 points lower than you and you get outplayed in the opening, struggle in an inferior middle game, and then go on to the endgame to lose.
True that.
But opening books have been allowed in Postal chess for decades. Not for the reason that it made postal chess better. Just for the reason that there was no way to stop anybody, and they didn't want to punish oonly the honest players.
This was why the top postal players often relied on offbeat openings like 1.g3 and 1.b4. Just to make their opponents MCO's less useful.
I suppose that is one way to combat it.
GmPrice wrote:
There shouldn't be any asistance at all. If you can't access the information while playing OTB in a tournament, then you can't access the information on the internet. You'll be in for a rude awakening when you play in a real game against a guy 400 points lower than you and you get outplayed in the opening, struggle in an inferior middle game, and then go on to the endgame to lose.
Absolutely. Doesn't make sense to me to allow people to copy the moves of a Grandmaster from a database.
What if the endgame "table base" you are using is a chart that you yourself created? Would it be prohibited then?
Nope.
What if the endgame "table base" you are using is a chart that you yourself created? Would it be prohibited then?
If you ask ME, My opinion is already quite clear. I believe that ANY reference materials during a game are wrong, but i'm not sure what the accepted practice is.
Those of you who wish to not use databases and also have a list of opponents who feel the same way, might like this group, who agree to play in that fashion:
http://www.chess.com/groups/view/circle-of-trust-otb
What if the endgame "table base" you are using is a chart that you yourself created? Would it be prohibited then?
If you ask ME, My opinion is already quite clear. I believe that ANY reference materials during a game are wrong, but i'm not sure what the accepted practice is.
Well, since it pays to know what is acceptable and what isn't, here you go:
http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/124/0/cheaters--cheating-what-you-need-to-know
So far what I know--
-Opening Databases--allowed
-Middlegame chess engines--cheating!!
-Endgame tablebases--??
Would a tablebase be more related to a database? Or a chess engine?