Is your Ip safe in Chess.com?

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MGleason wrote:

There are multiple countries that have blocked access to social media sites.  I'm not sure if any are currently blocking chess.com, but it's been blocked in China at times in the past.  Would you really argue that nobody in China should be allowed to access chess.com?  That would include not just random casual players but also some prominent GMs.

And blocking VPNs wouldn't even be an ironclad way of getting rid of retread trolls.  There are other tools they can use to mask their identity.

Here's one interesting sidenote example - current and ongoing. Since last July, Polish members of Talkchess have been cut off from the Talkchess server. The reason for this is debatable, but it *IS* happening. Using a VPN would be one possible way for a Polish member to access the Talkchess server.

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74393

 

IsraeliGal
MGleason wrote:

@Soniasthetics, I'd love to know where you're getting your data on the reason most people using VPNs to access the site are doing so.

Yes, we all know there are trolls.

We also know there are people who travel a lot and don't trust public wifi connections (with good reason) and just run a VPN for everything when they're on public wifi.

We also know that there are people who just prefer to use a VPN for their own privacy for everything they do.  My father-in-law works in cyber-security, and he uses TOR via a VPN for everything.

We also know there are people in countries that block chess.com or have blocked it in the past.

We also know that there are people who would face serious consequences from the authorities in their country if they are caught expressing certain opinions online - and yes, some of these opinions get expressed on chess.com in clubs and forums.

I'd love to know how you can be so confident that the trolls vastly outnumber the other legitimate users.

We also know that taking away VPNs would just push the trolls to use another tool.  It would make it harder for them, but the determine ones would find a way around it.  So blocking VPNs is a heavy-handed tool that would cause significant harm for a not-insignificant number of people, and wouldn't even accomplish the intended goal of stopping the trolls.

And it's not just a financial decision.  Due to U.S. government sanctions, chess.com cannot accept payments from people in certain countries; thus, some of these countries, there are no premium membership fees.  And advertising revenues from views from these countries will not be significant; you have to get a ton of view to have meaningful advertising revenue.

Considering how infested the forums are alone with trolls I don't think I need to find you a scholarly article showing you that VPNs are being abused a lot by people accessing the site.

 

You also haven't named the countries that are currently blocked from accessing the site either. You're asking me for data but you haven't provided any yourself. 

 

as for your argument that its pointless to implement a VPN block because it wouldn't stop the problem, I already mentioned how making things harder for someone is going to discourage them from doing it, and if they try and find another way, that could even open up chess.com staff to investigate how the trolls are constantly getting in. There's all kinds of benefits to blocking VPN use to the site. 

 

but like i said, the main reason none of this gets considered is money. When the model of the site is such a way that you can just sign up and and in 20 seconds you're pretty much a full member, and you're seeing ads plastered everywhere, yeah, I'm not going to believe you when you say that the primary reason isn't financial

The reason I know this is because lets say for the sake of argument banning VPN's isn't a viable option, so why hasn't chess.com put any restrictions on new accounts? why isn't there any sort of management of new members? 

 

 

MGleason

Yes, there are trolls in the forums.  But a handful of prominent trolls in the forums will make a lot of noise, while a large number of people using VPNs for legitimate reasons will do so much more quietly.

I'm not sure which countries are blocking chess.com at the moment.  China has in the past, although as near as I can tell they're not doing so right now.  But as recently as November, Andhra Pradesh, one of India's larger states, was instructing ISPs to block a number of sites they considered to be gambling and gaming sites, including chess.com (news story: https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/other/2020/nov/10/chess-players-forum-urges-andhra-govt-to-exclude-chesscom-from-banned-betting-sites-2222010.html).  Chess.com probably has literally millions of users in India, and a decent percentage of them will be in Andhra Pradesh - I'd guess tens of thousands.  I'm not sure if Andhra Pradesh is still blocking chess.com, but I can't find a news source saying the ban has been overturned.

The thing is, you would not be harmed by a ban on VPNs.  The consequences for other people will not affect you.  So for you, if it gets rid of a couple trolls or makes them come back less often, you will see it as a net positive.  But for a not insignificant number of legitimate users, the negative consequences would be dramatic.

You can talk chess.com down all you like, but you are doing so from a very limited perspective.  You see your personal experience.  Chess.com has the interests of millions of users to consider.

IsraeliGal

yes because im sure millions of people from Andhra Pradesh are accessing chess.com.

If you want to demonstrate that there is a huge majority of people that would be effected by VPNS suddenly being blocked you would have to start listing off countries, u haven't done that. All you've said on this matter is that China has blocked chess.com in the past, and that a small part of India has. 

Also, talking about my own personal experience makes no sense, because im sure there are millions of chess users who feel exactly the same way. 

 

MGleason

I didn't say millions of people in Andhra Pradesh.  I said probably tens of thousands.  If you want to tell them they're out of luck because you want to make it slightly harder for a handful of trolls... that's a weak argument.

If you want to tell all the Chinese users that their ability to access the site depends on whether or not the Chinese government decides to ban it because you want to make it slightly harder for a few trolls... that's a weak argument.

If you want to tell people who live in countries where they could face arrest or worse for expressing certain opinions online that they cannot express those opinions on chess.com because you want to make it slightly harder for a few trolls... that's a weak argument.

We're just going round in circles.  You can have the last word if you want it.

IsraeliGal

if people in Andhra or people in China want to be able to access chess.com then they can riot or create a political fuss over their government shutting down access to a chess site, this doesn't need to be something chess.com helps circumvent. 

It's not a weak argument, because by catering to this minority, ur making everyones time on chess.com that already use the site worse, thats why it's not a weak argument. YOUR argument is weak because u can't even provide a reasonable amount of countries where this is happening. 

 

also, the third paragraph doesn't even make sense, what are u on about. When have i said someone can't express an opinion online? If anything it's chess.com that seems to shut down ONE side of the political spectrum when it comes to speech on here. People who are conservative or on the right. 

 

And yes we are going around in circles, because u can't even defend ur arguments with proper examples. 

tehanu

And which troll attempts to attack a mod with the pretence of trying to stop their own brethren...

tehanu
Soniasthetics wrote:

if people in Andhra or people in China want to be able to access chess.com then they can riot or create a political fuss over their government shutting down access to a chess site, this doesn't need to be something chess.com helps circumvent. 

It's not a weak argument, because by catering to this minority, ur making everyones time on chess.com that already use the site worse, thats why it's not a weak argument. YOUR argument is weak because u can't even provide a reasonable amount of countries where this is happening. 

 

also, the third paragraph doesn't even make sense, what are u on about. When have i said someone can't express an opinion online? If anything it's chess.com that seems to shut down ONE side of the political spectrum when it comes to speech on here. People who are conservative or on the right. 

 

And yes we are going around in circles, because u can't even defend ur arguments with proper examples. 

Good luck doing that in China. 

IsraeliGal
tehanu wrote:

And which troll attempts to attack a mod with the pretence of trying to stop their own brethren...

I'd say you have a higher chance of being a troll than me.

 

Darenamokii

Damn.

Sibolis_naburju

I just play to night and I cheek IP net connection by got ping reply from Chess.com is not stable or my network  juts got hacked.. I did not know.. but connection my internet provider is look stable.

Played 5 times and it wasn't fair because I was in a position to leave the game, but on the network side on the profile photo on the table you can see my network is dc, I tried pinging several times to 104.17.80.122 (chess.com) reply RTO.

Any one can give me an advice? sad.png

Martin_Stahl
Sibolis_naburju wrote:

I just play to night and I cheek IP net connection by got ping reply from Chess.com is not stable or my network juts got hacked.. I did not know.. but connection my internet provider is look stable.

Played 5 times and it wasn't fair because I was in a position to leave the game, but on the network side on the profile photo on the table you can see my network is dc, I tried pinging several times to 104.17.80.122 (chess.com) reply RTO.

Any one can give me an advice?

https://support.chess.com/article/4720-online-chess-performance-optimizations

https://support.chess.com/article/213-how-do-i-fix-my-disconnect-lag-issues

IstDev

Your friend seems to be overly paranoid, indeed. Chess.com, like any reputable platform, takes the privacy and security of its users very seriously. It's highly unlikely that someone could hack the site to obtain a user's IP address.

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That being said, it's always a good practice to use a VPN for an extra layer of security, especially if you're concerned about online privacy. I personally use ThetaVPN, which has robust security protocols and a strict no-log policy. This means they don't track or store your online activities, including your IP address.

As for your friend's claim, it seems to be a mere coincidence. Remember, security online is a shared responsibility, and while platforms like Chess.com do their part, users also need to ensure they're taking necessary precautions, such as using reliable VPNs.

Happy gaming!

erenxyeagerrr

i was playing a game and i resigned, that person texted me smth and i replied back. he was saying that he just needed my reply to get my ip address, should i just ignore this? any advices

MGleason

Ignore it. He can't get your IP address from your reply. Your computer never communicates directly with his; rather, you both communicate independently with chess.com's servers.

He can monitor his internet traffic and find the IP address of chess.com's servers, but not your computer, since your computer never talks to his.