Three fold repetition rule

Is there a bug for the 3 fold repeatition rule? I played a game with repetition more than 5 times but it did not end with a draw, must i offer a draw for it or?

You need to CLAIM a draw by three-fold repetition. It isn't automatic.

This is true even in OTB FIDE-rated tournaments.

so how can i claim it? i mean in live chess(chess.com of course)

You claim the draw by clicking the "draw" button :)

Other sites are implementing the rules of chess incorrectly, then.

And how would anyone know that without asking you? If you're going to implement the game differently than what's expected, what other sites do, and what your own site used to do you should make it obvious.

"Other sites are implementing the rules of chess incorrectly, then."

What is the official rulebook for computerized chess then? Where does it say "a 3 fold repitition must be claimed by clicking on the draw button"?

http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf

9.2 The game is drawn upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same 

position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves):

a. is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the 

arbiter his intention to make this move, or

b. has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.

Excellent job pretending I was asking for an official rulebook showing the rules of chess instead of the rules of COMPUTERIZED chess MJ4H. You'll probably fool everyone with that.

OMG

Troll alert. Run for your lives.

There are no rules of "computerized" chess.  Chess on computers is obviously modelled after the over-the-board game of the same name.

And for the record, you were responding to me when you asked the question, and I said "chess," not "computerized chess."  Just because you added that in there doesn't mean I said it.  My original statement was:

"Other sites are implementing the rules of chess incorrectly, then."

That's fine with me, my issue is that the need to claim a draw and how to go about it are not obvious. If the draw button graphic changed or a new button appeared saying "claim 3 fold repition draw?" when it becomes available I think that would help avoid a lot of confusion and frustrated players who don't know the secret of how to get a 3 fold draw on this site.

That is certainly true, so its a fine line they have to walk.

However, the rules regarding clocks are circumvented, when a player is out of time they lose automatically, but in OTB play you have to claim it.

In OTB play, you have to claim lots of things. For example, one could mate his opponent and not realize it in a frantic blitz game. The opponent moves, you move, he moves (now able to move out of mate), you move, and 2 moves later you lose on time. It would go down as a win for him. Is someone else supposed to point out to you that you had him checkmated?

Usually in this situation, a player does see that he's checkmated his opponent and will tell him so if he frantically makes an illegal move. But he actually has to tell him, else it will go down as I described above.

Perhaps those who want Chess.com to more accurately model OTB chess would want them to require you tell your opponent that they've been checkmated by typing "checkmate" in the chat in order to stop the game and get the mate. And those people who are particularly zealous about the most exact simulation of OTB play might defend this even if Chess.com didn't see a need to tell anyone about this requirement. That wouldn't be much different than what's actually going on with the 3 fold thing, although I suspect some defend it because them knowing how to claim the draw while their opponent doesn't gives them a slight cheatish advantage.

Personally, I think the excuses for doing it the way they do...

1. Players might accidentally get themselves in 3 fold repititions when neither is trying to draw.

2. Players might get into 3 fold repititions and not know it.

...seem pretty weak to justify it.

Anyway, perhaps the best compromise would be to just change the button entirely so that it always says "Offer Draw or Claim 3 Fold Draw"?

If it said "Claim a draw" I would be spamming that puppy every move, just in case.

Of course, my opponent might get annoyed. But who cares about him, anyway? 

I'm sure your position against Chess.com letting your opponent know how to claim a 3 fold draw is all about you caring about your opponent.

Well, if you repeated position with your opponent 3 times, and wanted to draw, would you or would you not click the "offer draw" button anyway? 

It seems obvious to me. I think its just fine as is. 

I guess chess.com assumes people who use the site to play chess have already been acquainted with game rules prior to starting a game. Moreover, there is a page on the site about rules and basics available for everyone interested to study them: http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess. There is even a separate page about how to claim a draw: http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/40/0/how-do-i-claim-a-draw.

The information is out there to read. I don't think that's difficult, obscured, etc. After all, during the game there are no hints for forced mates for example, why should there be hints for drawing? Don't blame the site, it's not their fault.

I think the draw button does change from ,'Offer Draw' to 'Claim Draw' doesn't it? Maybe that's just in CC. I haven't had 3 fold repetition in Live, so not sure there.

If not, I don't know why it would matter. The rules are available. Also, it stands to reason that you'd have to offer the draw. If there were auto-draws you'd get people writing posts complaining about them too.

Though fewer complaints if chess.com lied and said "your opponent has claimed a draw" to both parties.

I'm not sure why some of you zealots feel a need to be insulting and say things like "those who don't know how to claim a 3 fold in here don't know the rules of chess", when obviously those people know about the threefold rule else they wouldn't be asking about it in the first place.

As far as the "wouldn't you guess the right thing of clicking the draw button"? No, I didn't guess right in time. Instead, I lost the game because I didn't figure it out in the 8 seconds that were left. But that's okay. Just because I'm trying to find a compromise that addresses your concerns doesn't mean you should try to find a compromise that addresses mine or be polite or anything.

I notice there's a good bit of space near the draw and abort buttons. Enough room to write, (again permanently so as not to give any hints or require taxing the server to analyse the positions), "To claim a 3 fold repitition, click the draw button."

But I guess some don't want people to know that you can claim a draw that way out of fear they'll spam the button every turn just in case. Of course, the only way to avoid that is to prevent them from knowing how to claim a draw, which I guess is what some people want.