Using databases during Daily Games

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DrumstickChippopotamus

I have a question about using databases during "daily" games.

The rules on cheating on chess.com say you are allowed to use databases in the daily format. I am using Chessbase which tells you statistics on each move, how often it was played, the winning percentage of the move, and it also allows you to find and load all the games in the database where that position occurred.

I don't think any of this is considered using an engine, but I just wanted to double check that all these features of Chessbase are considered legal to use during daily games.

Martin_Stahl
DrumstickChippopotamus wrote:

I have a question about using databases during "daily" games.

The rules on cheating on chess.com say you are allowed to use databases in the daily format. I am using Chessbase which tells you statistics on each move, how often it was played, the winning percentage of the move, and it also allows you to find and load all the games in the database where that position occurred.

I don't think any of this is considered using an engine, but I just wanted to double check that all these features of Chessbase are considered legal to use during daily games.

Yes, that's allowed as long as you don't load or analyze the positions with an evaluation engine such as Stockfish and the games don't have embedded numerical engine evaluations.

DrumstickChippopotamus

I don't think there are any engine evaluations in Chessbase unless you add a kibitzer engine, am I right?

Martin_Stahl
DrumstickChippopotamus wrote:

I don't think there are any engine evaluations in Chessbase unless you add a kibitzer engine, am I right?

I don't think so but also don't have ChessBase.

DrumstickChippopotamus


Actually, support is telling me that using Chessbase might not be allowed because the moves are given as red, green, blue, to show how often they won or how good the move is.

I am still trying to get clarity on this.

Martin_Stahl
DrumstickChippopotamus wrote:

Actually, support is telling me that using Chessbase might not be allowed because the moves are given as red, green, blue, to show how often they won or how good the move is.

I am still trying to get clarity on this.

That is acceptable. That metric is specifically allowed and is included in the site's Explorer database as well.

DrumstickChippopotamus

I appreciate you saying it is acceptable, but right now Chess.com is saying it might not be.

These colors are given based on annotations I think, which is saying that Chessbase prefers some moves over others, which is considered "assistance".

We'll see, I still need to talk to chess.com about this.

Martin_Stahl
DrumstickChippopotamus wrote:

I appreciate you saying it is acceptable, but right now Chess.com is saying it might not be.

These colors are given based on annotations I think, which is saying that Chessbase prefers some moves over others, which is considered "assistance".

We'll see, I still need to talk to chess.com about this.

Maybe I'm misreading the table. If it's the fritz engine actually coloring the move and not just the outcomes in the database showing wins/draws/losses, then that wouldn't he allowed.

But it looks like the feature from explorer, based on the games in the given database, but with wins in green, draws in blue, and losses in red.

DrumstickChippopotamus

I think the moves are annotated, which would be human help.

Martin_Stahl
DrumstickChippopotamus wrote:

I think the moves are annotated, which would be human help.

Annotations are fine, just not engine evaluations.

Martin_Stahl
d4iscrazy wrote:

I don't think Chessbase is allowed with the colored moves; exf4 is colored as green because it is the best move, not because of the winrate (if it was winrate, c6 would also be green)

If that's an evaluation, then it would not be allowed.

DrumstickChippopotamus

You're right, they confirmed that it was okay to use Chessbase.

I assume you're allowed to load any game in the database with your current position and study it too, right?

Martin_Stahl
DrumstickChippopotamus wrote:

You're right, they confirmed that it was okay to use Chessbase.

I assume you're allowed to load any game in the database with your current position and study it too, right?

Yes, as long as the games do not contain numerical engine evaluations and the database isn't primarily engine game.