Color Choice No More...? Why???

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ReLentLess5150

So, every now and then, I like to go on live chess to practice new openings or defenses with a particular color.  In live chess, I recall being able to create games that would allow you to choose the time, and color.  I've noticed that the ability to do that no longer exists...can some tell me why???

trysts

I haven't heard of this? Anyone?

TheGrobe

Because it was being abused, and that resulted in an inequitable situation for those that elected to send out random seeks.

Challenge a friend directly or play an unrated game and you can choose.

ReLentLess5150
trysts wrote:

I haven't heard of this? Anyone?


 When I click "New Game", the pop-up box appears:

New Challengex
Presets:  5 min 0 sec10 min 0 sec2 min 12 sec3 min 0 sec4 min 4 sec15 min 10 sec1 min 5 sec1 min 0 sec
Initial Time:
Χ
Min Rating:
Χ
Bonus Time:
Χ
Max Rating:
Χ
Rated:
Χ
I Play:
Χ

It shows presets (time intervals), Intitial time, bonus time, min rating, max rating, rated or unrated.  That's it...nothing about the color choice, i.e. black, white, or random...like you do in Online Chess.

ReLentLess5150
TheGrobe wrote:

Because it was being abused, and that resulted in an inequitable situation for those that elected to send out random seeks.

Challenge a friend directly or play an unrated game and you can choose.


That's crazy...how can it be abused...especially now since you can only have two seeks at any one time???  That makes no sense.  If we're limited to only two seeks, then we should be allow to stipulate whatever color we want.

TheGrobe

Not if your two seeks are always white.  It's a sensible restriction that ensures the playing field is level.

ReLentLess5150
TheGrobe wrote:

Not if your two seeks are always white.  It's a sensible restriction that ensures the playing field is level.


 Again, if the challenged is issued and the issuer wants white, then you don't accept that challenge if you don't want black...keep it moving. Now all people are doing is aborting the game because they either don't want to play a certain color, or they've been forced to play black "randomly" 4 times in a row!!!

And, even when the game is unrated, you still can't choose the color. 

TheGrobe

Yes, and their next seek should also result in the colour they're trying to avoid -- this is actually evidence of the type of abuse that was occurring -- so long as the system actively works to balance out the inequity the aborts should stop because they are ineffective.

msoewulff

this debate has happened already!

ReLentLess5150
TheGrobe wrote:

Yes, and their next seek should also result in the colour they're trying to avoid -- this is actually evidence of the type of abuse that was occurring -- so long as the system actively works to balance out the inequity the aborts should stop because they are ineffective.


 Then kindly explain to me why the same restriction doesn't exist in "Online Chess" where you can choose the color in advance options?  It's inconsistant.  When you start a new game there, you can select all white.  If I'm searching for an opponent, "I" make the determiniation if I'm ok with playing black for a 2 day game etc.  If I'm not, I keep it moving or set up my own seek that meets MY critria.  The "abuse" you speak of is called stipulations, and NO ONE is obliged to accept a "seek" in online chess or a "challenge" in live chess if the stipulations don't appeal to them.

simply aborting the game trades one "abuse' for another, and in my opinion makes it worse.

ReLentLess5150
msoewulff wrote:

this debate has happened already!


 Point me to the forum, I must've missed it.

TheGrobe
ReLentLess5150 wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

Yes, and their next seek should also result in the colour they're trying to avoid -- this is actually evidence of the type of abuse that was occurring -- so long as the system actively works to balance out the inequity the aborts should stop because they are ineffective.


 Then kindly explain to me why the same restriction doesn't exist in "Online Chess" where you can choose the color in advance options?  It's inconsistant.  When you start a new game there, you can select all white.  

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It should be implemented there as well.  No argument here.

ReLentLess5150
TheGrobe wrote:
ReLentLess5150 wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

Yes, and their next seek should also result in the colour they're trying to avoid -- this is actually evidence of the type of abuse that was occurring -- so long as the system actively works to balance out the inequity the aborts should stop because they are ineffective.


 Then kindly explain to me why the same restriction doesn't exist in "Online Chess" where you can choose the color in advance options?  It's inconsistant.  When you start a new game there, you can select all white.  

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It should be implemented there as well.  No argument here.


 LOLOL We'll agree to disagree.

artfizz
msoewulff wrote: this debate has happened already!

ReLentLess5150 wrote:  Point me to the forum, I must've missed it.


Impressive that you managed to miss ALL of the discussions. Here's the first few that show up when search the forums for COLOR (or COLOUR) ...

kco

what happen to that one artfizz 'Random play makes me go 'thank you, bye'  ? been deleted ?

artfizz
kco wrote: what happen to that one artfizz 'Random play makes me go 'thank you, bye'  ? been deleted ?

I cocked up the link. Try it now.

TheGrobe
artfizz wrote:

 

 

Light & Dark


Wait -- that was about chess?

pdela

It was to avoid discrimination

artfizz
artfizz wrote: Light & Dark

TheGrobe wrote: Wait -- that was about chess?


This is a chess website. In the final analysis, it's all about chess.

ArchBadger
ReLentLess5150 wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

Not if your two seeks are always white.  It's a sensible restriction that ensures the playing field is level.


 Again, if the challenged is issued and the issuer wants white, then you don't accept that challenge if you don't want black...keep it moving. Now all people are doing is aborting the game because they either don't want to play a certain color, or they've been forced to play black "randomly" 4 times in a row!!!

And, even when the game is unrated, you still can't choose the color. 


 No, it is not random, and I'm glad of that. The server picks your color based on your last 10 games. So if all 10 were as white, you will play black 5 games.