What's this bull: "Game drawn - timeout vs insufficient material"

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CSBFXE

I won a game tonight to an opponent who lost on time. He had two queens and a bishop while I just had the King, but he couldn't figure out how to checkmate me and lost on time.

But after he lost, chess.com said it was "Game drawn - timeout vs insufficient material."

How does that make sense?! Why is it a draw because I had insufficient material? The clock is a key component of the game and my opponent lost. I just don't get it.


Oh well...

Diakonia

1. Your opponent ran out of time.

2. You had just a king (insufficient material)

Youre opponent had no time to win the game, and you had no material to win.  The game ends in a draw.

CSBFXE
In professional blitz matches, is there this draw rule?
CSBFXE
The way I see it, my opponent ran out of time before I ran out of pieces (legal moves), therefore it should be a win.
Bramblyspam

Some people feel that stalemates should count as a win too, but that's not what the rules say.

CSBFXE

Stalemate is definitely a draw, but losing on time is a loss, why else would they call it losing on time? 

Okay, I'll stop teasing now.

Pulpofeira

I think #2 is enough to put it as maybe the more logical competition rule of chess. As you mention in #4, you could still playing, but no way you can win. And don't you think clock is being a key component when a player with two queens and bishop vs. a lone king can't win the game?

Lagomorph
CSBFXE wrote:

 but losing on time is a loss, why else would they call it losing on time? 

 

 

With insuffficient material, they don't, they call it a draw.

 

wanmokewan

Hilariously, he was one move away from mate. In a 15 minute game. With INCREMENT!

GnrfFrtzl
CSBFXE wrote:
In professional blitz matches, is there this draw rule?


No offense, but in professional matches it never comes to one side being up two queens and a bishop.

macer75
wanmokewan wrote:

Hilariously, he was one move away from mate. In a 15 minute game. With INCREMENT!

In that case he deserved to have lost.

LePredator

This is crap. Just happened to me today. In a 15|10 time control I had a theoretically drawn position due to my terrible chess play, but I had a clear 13 minutes (!) advantage with my opponent in time trouble, down to his last seconds. He times out, and then I see this silly game result before me. Zero rating points gained. Punishment? What gives? Not buying this at all.

Cystem_Phailure
CSBFXE wrote:
The way I see it, my opponent ran out of time before I ran out of pieces (legal moves), therefore it should be a win.

You see it wrong. Before your opponent ran out of time, you had already lost all your pieces you needed in order to win. Once those pieces were gone, no matter what happened it was never possible for you to win, only to lose or draw.

ChessOfficial2016

If you ran out of time and your opponent has impossibility to checkmate then you will get the draw and not the loss.

mpaetz

     The insufficient material rule is clearly stated in chess.com rules. Other organizations interpret things differently, but most say you can't be credited with a win if you don't have enough material left to ever checkmate your opponent. If you feel that strongly about this rule, look for another place to play and this time check out their rules first.

tygxc

FIDE Laws of Chess:
"6.9      
Except where one of Articles 5.1.1, 5.1.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3 applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by thatplayer. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 

Wits-end
tygxc wrote:

FIDE Laws of Chess:
"6.9      
Except where one of Articles 5.1.1, 5.1.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3 applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by thatplayer. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves."
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 

Now there you go bringing sense, reason, and rule clarity to the forums. thumbup.png

myusername456456
I’m sick of these posts. You got lucky enough to get a draw—that you didn’t even deserve—and you’re still angry.
binomine

For anyone else who sees this post:

 

FIDE: It is a draw with insufficient materials if there is no mate on the board, period.  Including help mates. 

US Chess: It is a draw with insufficient materials if there is no forced mate. 

Chess.com: It is a draw with insufficient materials if your pieces cannot for a mate on a bare king. 

 

If white runs out of time. 

FIDE: win for black

USChess: draw

Chess.com: draw

 

Black to move and runs out of time. 

FIDE: win for white

USChess: win for white

Chess.com: Draw, because a single knight cannot mate a bare king. 

ElwynT

@binomine I'd think u were trolling but what troll goes through all the effort of adding images to just be wrong?