Your Opinion on Premoves

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Once,  I premoved to capture an opponent piece, but they moved it away, and a premove meant it was to be moved no matter what. So, I blundered a rook and resigned. The same thing happened in my next game. I was premoving a queen capture, and they defended the piece, so I blundered a queen and resigned. After that, I went on a bit of tilt and lost about forty rating points. Do you guys have any tips or premove blunders in your games before?

llama36

The safest premove is when the move is illegal unless your opponent does what you expect.

For example premove your rook on top of your other rook... it's only legal if your opponent captures your rook (and now you'll recapture).

Premove your king to a square where the opponent's queen will attack it... it's only legal if they move their queen away.

Less-safe, but still common premoves are for example premoving development (or similar) when the position is calm. For example if the last few moves didn't involve any attacking or defending, and you want to maneuver your knight from b1-d2-f3-e5, you can probably premove Nd2. Then if the opponent hasn't made any aggressive move, you can premove Nf3 etc.

In general, if your opponent is able to play ANY capture, and your premove isn't a recapture, then you're being a bit risky. If you play too many risky premoves in a row, some players will try to punish you by making a crazy move.

flexingiceberg

why i cant premove anymore? did Chess.com remove ability to premove?

manekapa
flexingiceberg wrote:

why i cant premove anymore? did Chess.com remove ability to premove?

See this post:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/pre-move-15#comment-72424815

RemovedUsername333
llama36 wrote:

The safest premove is when the move is illegal unless your opponent does what you expect.

For example premove your rook on top of your other rook... it's only legal if your opponent captures your rook (and now you'll recapture).

Premove your king to a square where the opponent's queen will attack it... it's only legal if they move their queen away.

Less-safe, but still common premoves are for example premoving development (or similar) when the position is calm. For example if the last few moves didn't involve any attacking or defending, and you want to maneuver your knight from b1-d2-f3-e5, you can probably premove Nd2. Then if the opponent hasn't made any aggressive move, you can premove Nf3 etc.

In general, if your opponent is able to play ANY capture, and your premove isn't a recapture, then you're being a bit risky. If you play too many risky premoves in a row, some players will try to punish you by making a crazy move.

The above is a load of bunk. Let's set the record straight:

Premoves are not only safe, but often the best move in a given position. The idea that your opponent can "punish" you for making too many premoves is misguided, as it ignores the fact that your opponent can just as easily make a mistake during the ensuing confusion.

            PREMOVES ARE SAFE

The safety of premoves has been well-established by top players and theorists alike. In fact, many grandmasters have used premoves to great effect in both tournament and match play.

             PREMOVES ARE NOT RISKY

The above claim that premoves are "risky" if your opponent can make a capture is patently false. If your opponent can make a capture, then it is almost always to their benefit to do so. The only time it would be considered "risky" to premove is if your opponent has a forced capture (e.g. they are in checkmate), in which case they are likely to make the capture anyway.

llama36
RemovedUsername333 wrote:

If your opponent can make a capture, then it is almost always to their benefit to do so

lol tongue.png

 

A good tip for speed games at lower levels is to not initiate any captures.

Low level players usually capture as soon as they can, so when you purposefully don't capture it confuses the low rated player, who will then burn more time on their clock.

But also, even in long games, it's a good idea to distrust initiating captures... but don't take my word for it, here's a GM

llama36

In any case, since the topic is premoves, that's not the sort of capture I meant.

For example, after Be2 Bd7 let's say black premoves castling.

 

DreamscapeHorizons

I'm assuming a whole game has been premoved. 

imagedoctor

I would like an option to not play opponents who have premoves enabled.

I do not use premoves and have no desire to.

slave4chess
llama36 wrote:
RemovedUsername333 wrote:

If your opponent can make a capture, then it is almost always to their benefit to do so

lol

 

A good tip for speed games at lower levels is to not initiate any captures.

Low level players usually capture as soon as they can, so when you purposefully don't capture it confuses the low rated player, who will then burn more time on their clock.

But also, even in long games, it's a good idea to distrust initiating captures... but don't take my word for it, here's a GM

 

Igor Smirnov is the fakest GM in the business... He hasn't played a classical game in over 10 years

llama36
slave4chess wrote:
llama36 wrote:
RemovedUsername333 wrote:

If your opponent can make a capture, then it is almost always to their benefit to do so

lol

 

A good tip for speed games at lower levels is to not initiate any captures.

Low level players usually capture as soon as they can, so when you purposefully don't capture it confuses the low rated player, who will then burn more time on their clock.

But also, even in long games, it's a good idea to distrust initiating captures... but don't take my word for it, here's a GM

 

Igor Smirnov is the fakest GM in the business... He hasn't played a classical game in over 10 years

Nice minecraft pfp kid. You sure you're not up past your bedtime?

Anyway, it doesn't take a GM to understand the logic of this very basic advice.

BigSplat2018

Premoves are risky; sometimes they're essential.
In Bullet, they can be necessary, expecially if you're short on time.

In Bughouse, they're necessary, because time is a far greater factor than in chess.
You want proof that premoves are risky?

1.d4 g6
Everyone knows Black is gonna play 2…Bg7. So why not premove it?
If White knows that that's what Black is gonna do…

2.Ba6! Bg7 3.Bxg7
D'oh.
There're plenty examples like that.

I agree that the safest premove is a recapture. I try to make that my only kind of premove, except in extraordinary circumstances.

llama36
pfren wrote:

Premoves is a stupid thing associated to bullet- so not a part of chess.

Do not use them, unless you are playing bullet crap.

This is one reason Caruana is so garbage at speed chess. He has no idea about the logic of premoves, when and how to use them.

It's fairly simple to use premoves effectively, but you have to practice and give it a little thought.

Of course, his moves are very high quality... but then he loses on time so it doesn't matter.

THE-KEYY

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