Forced checkmate in 1 (anti-puzzle)

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TsetseRoar

Hope this is the right forum for this...
As part of the friendly banter between me and friends at my chess club, I set my friend a "puzzle" of white to win. But actually white can *only* checkmate black; there are 15 legal moves that white has and they all checkmate black (any rook move is checkmate, plus b7#). 
If I sound like a bad person, note he teases me a lot too. happy.png

Then I tried to see if I could improve on 15 moves, but it seems harder than it appears at first glance. Can anyone improve on it?

llama44

I tried to think a bit, but I can't come up with anything better. I'm pretty sure it exists, but I imagine it will a little complicated.

Arisktotle

I think the maximum is over 30. Fifteen is just a start.

Btw, the "Fun" forum is probably perfect for this. "More Puzzles" is second bestwink.png

llama44

Sure I can make a puzzle where there are 30 mates in 1.

But every legal move is a mate in 1? Show me how you can beat his.

Joseph_Truelsons_Fan

MAKE AN ILLEGAL MOVE!

how about you resign.

Joseph_Truelsons_Fan

YOU HAVE TO RESIGN!

Joseph_Truelsons_Fan

Rocky64

That's an example of a "one-mover construction task". I have an old book that gives the records for some of these tasks (not sure if they have been broken since). Here's the position for 29 forced mates, using no promoted pieces. If promoted pieces are allowed, the record is 50.

H H Cross
29 Forced mates
The Problemist Fairy Chess Supplement 1936

 

big_big_poo

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TsetseRoar

Wow, I was way off! Thanks for sharing Rocky64.

RewanDemontay
Rocky64 wrote:

That's an example of a "one-mover construction task". I have an old book that gives the records for some of these tasks (not sure if they have been broken since). Here's the position for 29 forced mates, using no promoted pieces. If promoted pieces are allowed, the record is 50.

H H Cross
29 Forced mates
The Problemist Fairy Chess Supplement 1936

 

 

The record with promoted pieces is actually 55, Rocky.

 

Ludwig Zagler, Feenschach 1972

 

Taken from Krabbe #334: https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary_17.htmhttps://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary_17.htm

Rocky64

Thanks, Rewan! So it seems that Zagler broke Dittmann's 50-moves record by using a similar matrix a few years later. BTW, Tim Krabb's Diary #334 shows the original record; the improved 55-moves one is given in Diary #383 https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary.htm

RewanDemontay

You’re very welcome Rocky! I forget to give the right entry hahaha. Also, did you know that Shinkman actually achieve 50 in a s#1 long before Dittmann? See P1098140.



 

Rocky64

Wow, the P1098140 by Blathy (not Shinkman wink.png) is virtually the same position as Dittmann's – not merely the same matrix – with the colours reversed. Poor Dittmann got anticipated by about 50 years.

Arisktotle

Note that it is easy to convert the 55 times forced #1 problem into a S#1 problem with 55 variations. Actually Zaglers diagram is already a valid S#1 after you only switch the colors and place the mirrored Ba8 on b7.

TsetseRoar
ZippityZapZop wrote:

how is every rook move mate?

In which puzzle? Mine?
In my puzzle any rook move will be checkmate by the bishop in the corner. And actually in the other puzzles a rook revealing a bishop attack seems to be a common theme.

 

Gaming_Cat33

How do you make a move without checkmate.

Gaming_Cat33

I have gone insane trying to