Mate in 3. Cannot solve

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Kiwi_King
Mate 3 Not sure

Hey all. I was helping a friend with his chess problems. I cannot figure out how white mates in 3. Can anyone help?

Rocky64

Took me a while but managed to solve it eventually. The first move 1.Nd4! threatening 2.Ne2 is not too hard; what's hard is figuring out how to continue after 1...Qc2, since either 2.Ndxc2? (for 3.Rd1) or 2.Nexc2? (no threat) is defeated by 2...Nd2. It turns out that because the Q is needed on c2 to stop both N mates on e2 and b3 (not to mention Rd1 mate), White can M2 from here by putting Black in zugzwang, and the only pure waiting move is 2.c5!! Then the Q must unguard one of the mates, e.g. 2...Qxd3 3.Nb3, 2...Qa4 3.Ne2, 2...Qd1 3.Rxd1. 2...Nd2 also allows 3.Ne2. There's no other waiting move for White besides 2.c5!!, e.g. 2.Kh7? Qxd3+!, 2.Kg8/Kg7? Qg2+!

Kiwi_King

 

Kiwi_King

Oh my gosh. You are an actual genius! THANK YOU! haha, been racking my brain for days now. What an awesome puzzle! 

ChessieSystem101

I have that book.

KingOfOmashu

That's such a cool puzzle. Shows zugzwang in its true form

jason543

wow that's was hard thx to rocky64

Devilish_Bad_Games

there is mate in 2!!! 1.a8=Q+ Qe8 2.QxQ# kappa

Lord_Hammer
Devilish_Bad_Games wrote:

there is mate in 2!!! 1.a8=Q+ Qe8 2.QxQ# kappa

a8=Q is not legal...

Devilish_Bad_Games

Why not??

Lord_Hammer

1. The square you are looking at is h1, not a8. I know, confusing. 

Therefore, white promotes on h8 and a8, which is on the "top" corners. 

Devilish_Bad_Games

how do you know this tho? there is no coordinates on a given diagram

Lord_Hammer

The OP is 1600. 

If it were that easy, he wouldn't be spending 3 days to solve this problem. Also, if it says "white mates in 3 moves," there is a mate in 3, and not any faster. 

Devilish_Bad_Games

so u saying that both kings traveled to opposite sides of the board?!? TRAVESTY

Lord_Hammer

Many positions are just studies, and not from real games. 

MaxLange-simulator

That was a cool puzzle.

Kiwi_King

Devilish_Bad_Games wrote:

so u saying that both kings traveled to opposite sides of the board?!? TRAVESTY

I know this board setup is crazy, but can confirm white is the bottom.

Arisktotle
Kiwi_King wrote:

 

Devilish_Bad_Games wrote:

 

so u saying that both kings traveled to opposite sides of the board?!? TRAVESTY

 

I know this board setup is crazy, but can confirm white is the bottom.

It is simply a convention. This diagram is a composition and the field of chess compositions has some rules of its own. One of them is: Never give coordinates; white is always on the lower side of a diagram.

Note that the Daily Puzzles follow this convention as well. They even switch colours in real chess games to make sure you always play white and white always plays bottom up. They do add coordinates though, which is redundant.

Another composition convention is that white always starts except in some defined cases. It is sufficient to state #3 (checkmate in 3 moves) since it is always white's duty to perform. 

nopestradamus32

There's a zuzgwang in the puzzle

Nd4 Qc2

c5 Nd2

Ne2#

Arisktotle
nopestradamus32 wrote:

There's a zuzgwang in the puzzle

Nd4 Qc2

c5 Nd2

Ne2#

That's what Rocky64 wrote in post #2. Plus other interesting tidbits.