Given a pig I could probably teach it to beat around 70% of players on cc thus proving my theory that chess is basically a game of memory even the most pea brained creature can master.
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You are unrated. You haven't beaten anybody. Nobody.
You have to establish your own credentials before you start making claims about your abilities with pigs and chickens.
"And yet anybody that knows anything about these unassuming birds will tell you they are highly intelligent."
That depends very much on your definition of "intelligent."
"It has taken me two months to teach a rooster the first 8 moves of the Ruy Lopez standard variation. The chicken will peck on the appropriate square and I will move for him."
Well, that's kind of cool, I guess...
"I could probably teach the bird at least 16 moves and one or two variations which means that it will be in a winning position half way through a Ruy Lopez game."
...and you actually have no idea how chess works. Can he play both white and black? Does the chicken keep trying to follow the main line even if you deviate? What happens after move 16? Does the chicken resign, awed by his opponent's ability to memorize such a massive quantity of moves?
"Given a pig I could probably teach it to beat around 70% of players on cc..."
Holy crap, that came out of nowhere That's practically a non-sequiter. Slow down, kid, explain the logic that links "I can get a chicken to peck a block of wood," to "Wilbur is the next Bobby Fischer." Explain it like you were trying to talk to a chicken...
"...thus proving my theory that chess is basically a game of memory even the most pea brained creature can master."
You'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it.
"At the same time it conclusively proves chess is not a sport..."
You clearly don't know what "conclusively" means. Train the pig first. Then we'll talk. And if he loses, I'm making bacon.
"...you can't teach a chicken to box."
That's because they're chickens. They don't have arms or fists. And besides, you can teach them to race or swim. I guess track and swimming are no longer sports, because apparently sports are defined by their incompatability with chickens. Better tell the Olympics...
All in all, good topic. It's controversial, humorous, full of logical fallacies, etc. Have you considered a career as an internet journalist? I think you'd be perfect.
chickens can fly. if your premise is wrong your whole story falls apart.
Let us consider the humble chicken, the only bird to voluntarily give up flight in order to save humanity from extinction. Brain the size of a walnut.
And yet anybody that knows anything about these unassuming birds will tell you they are highly intelligent.
I have always said chess is mainly a game ( not a sport) based on memory. I am not talking about sub 1600 wood pushers that play any old crap that takes there fancy I am talking about folks that know a bit about chess.
It has taken me two months to teach a rooster the first 8 moves of the Ruy Lopez standard variation. The chicken will peck on the appropriate square and I will move for him.
I could probably teach the bird at least 16 moves and one or two variations which means that it will be in a winning position half way through a Ruy Lopez game.
Given a pig I could probably teach it to beat around 70% of players on cc thus proving my theory that chess is basically a game of memory even the most pea brained creature can master.
At the same time it conclusively proves chess is not a sport as no sport is based on memory and you can't teach a chicken to box.
What about a duck？
@ NotMarkTwain ....there is a very good reason I am unrated , I refuse to play any chess on this site until Chess.com gives in to my demands to remove outdated and offensive religious symbols from the site. I will continue with my silent protest until they buckle under the pressure and remove bishops from the game once and for all and replace them with the original elephants. It has nothing to do with my abilities.
@ betterofsingle I am not sure why on earth you would think the chicken will always play f4 but you are probably correct in stating you are better of single.
@ wildjigiittypuff ...at this stage the experiment is not about deviating from the mainlines ,that will come in time once I start working with bigger brained animals. For now I am simply proving that you can teach any animal to play chess using memory alone. I thank you for your very detailed response and many questions but you do seem to have a negative if not highly sceptical view of something that should really be headline news. I think the barrier to overcome here is to accept chess is not this awesome mystical game only humans can master. It is a bitter pill to swallow when you have spent hours training and playing and someone suggests you can be beaten by a chicken, I believe in time it will become more widely accepted if more life forms could be included in the game.
@mcostan ....chickens can fly for very,very short distances I will give you that but any albatros will tell you it is hardly worth mentioning.
@ NotMarkTwain ....there is a very good reason I am unrated , I refuse to play any chess on this site until Chess.com gives in to my demands to remove outdated and offensive religious symbols from the site. I will continue with my silent protest until they buckle under the pressure and remove bishops from the game once and for all and replace them with the original elephants. It has nothing to do with my abilities.
I agree; in addition, offensive monarchical symbols, namely the king and queen, should also be removed and replaced with something more modern and egalitarian.
@macer clearly you are a thinking man with a superior mind and insight befitting the modern person. Once Erik admits his mistakes I intend to take office as Elite Overseer of Chess matter on the site and there will be a place for people like you on my staff
Nekhemevich wrote:
infamous troll thread...
I suspect you simply did not comprehend the impact and far ranging implications of teaching a bird to do what you thought of as an activity reserved for humans and computers. Being a peaceful type I forgive you.
@macer clearly you are a thinking man with a superior mind and insight befitting the modern person. Once Erik admits his mistakes I intend to take office as Elite Overseer of Chess matter on the sight and there will be a place for people like you on my staff
Thank you! I'm honored!
When you reach that position, it might be interesting to make your experimentation with animals a part of chess.com. For instance, you could have competitions, or even a regular game mode, where human members of the site get to play against your trained animals. Perhaps you could even organize death matches between different animals!
cc= chicken coop
like, CM= chicken master :)
It's pretty clever if you consider what serving humanity basically means. I have some roasted chicken left. Want some?
@macer the whole death match thing might be taking it a bit far. But consider the financial implications for chess.com. Millions of factory chickens are cooped up everyday with nothing to do but lay eggs or await slaughter, give them a few computers and introduce them to chess. If a farmer pays a mere 50 cents per chicken to have a membership it would be even more millions flowing into the already stuffed coffers of cc, Erik might even consider lowering rates for humans and getting rid of his ads begging you to buy a membership . Chickens should have access to the forums as well, even a chicken running across a keyboard could write better stuff than some topics I have seen.
Nekhemevich wrote:
infamous troll thread...
I suspect you simply did not comprehend the impact and far ranging implications of teaching a bird to do what you thought of as an activity reserved for humans and computers. Being a peaceful type I forgive you.
and I forgive you. 1600's are not your typical wood pushers...
Let us consider the humble chicken, the only bird to voluntarily give up flight in order to save humanity from extinction. Brain the size of a walnut.
And yet anybody that knows anything about these unassuming birds will tell you they are highly intelligent.
I have always said chess is mainly a game ( not a sport) based on memory. I am not talking about sub 1600 wood pushers that play any old crap that takes there fancy I am talking about folks that know a bit about chess.
It has taken me two months to teach a rooster the first 8 moves of the Ruy Lopez standard variation. The chicken will peck on the appropriate square and I will move for him.
I could probably teach the bird at least 16 moves and one or two variations which means that it will be in a winning position half way through a Ruy Lopez game.
Given a pig I could probably teach it to beat around 70% of players on cc thus proving my theory that chess is basically a game of memory even the most pea brained creature can master.
At the same time it conclusively proves chess is not a sport as no sport is based on memory and you can't teach a chicken to box.