Elite Chess "Reeks of Deep Computer Prep," Says Magnus Carlsen

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RoaringPawn

When even the World #1 doesn't get the moves of his colleagues!?

The most effective (and inexpensive at that) treatment so far for this devastating disease at the top is called... Fischerandom.


 

damafe

960 is another game, uglier and boring.

They do not play gambits when playing 960, and usually lead to symmetrical positions. Because by not knowing the position, they do not risk. In addition, many positions do not allow originality, due to the bad position of the pieces, which force some plays, such as fianchettos if bishops are in the corner. Knights have a lot of problems, too... 

RoaringPawn
damafe wrote:

960 is another game, uglier and boring.

They do not play gambits when playing 960, and usually lead to symmetrical positions. Because by not knowing the position, they do not risk. In addition, many positions do not allow originality, due to the bad position of the pieces, which force some plays, such as fianchettos if bishops are in the corner. Knights have a lot of problems, too... 

You say "960 is another game, uglier and boring.",

Spassky says it is the same game, only without opening prep (aided by machines).

damafe

You just have to see how the games were played. Symmetry, seeking "normality", without gambits, without attacks ... fear of the unknown wink.png

who wants to be forced to play fianchetto? who wants to play with a horse in the corner?  

There are positions where the plays are (almost) forced. And there are others where White has too much advantage, and it is even necessary to forbid them.

In addition, the public wants to see the openings that he plays in reality. Not seeing how the professionals look for the best way to "normalize" the game tongue.png

the best idea was Bronstein's one... but it didn't get popular

damafe

The problem of MVL is that he always plays the same defence tongue.png

RoaringPawn
damafe wrote:

You just have to see how the games were played. Symmetry, seeking "normality", without gambits, without attacks ... fear of the unknown

Who says there's no gambits in Fischerandom? played White against Galicia (didn't press home the advantage thoughsad.png  )

And what symmetry are you talking about?happy.png



kamalakanta

Fischer Random is insufficient, in my opinion.

The Capablanca Variant is better, because it changes the dimension of the board.

RoaringPawn
kamalakanta wrote:

Fischer Random is insufficient, in my opinion.

The Capablanca Variant is better, because it changes the dimension of the board.

Kamalakanta, what do you mean by insufficient?

True it will be insufficient, for sure, of the boring London and Berlin systems seen at the top.

As I said before,

1) Capablanca chess is a completely different beast.

2) Fischer is the SAME game, only without prep crap where your latest engine, from  the leisure and comfort of your home, ambushes the other guy and puts him in an absolutely unpleasant and unfair position to find a response while the clock ticking...  

damafe
RoaringPawn escribió:
damafe wrote:

You just have to see how the games were played. Symmetry, seeking "normality", without gambits, without attacks ... fear of the unknown

Who says there's no gambits in Fischerandom? played White against Galicia (didn't press home the advantage though  )

And what symmetry are you talking about?



 

Do you think that Liren vs MVL can be like that game?

RoaringPawn
damafe wrote:

Do you think that Liren vs MVL can be like that game?

Is there anything to prevent them?

Creativity takes courage (Matisse), which, of course, we cannot expect from sissies

damafe

it's too risky to be brave tongue.png

RoaringPawn
damafe wrote:

it's too risky to be brave

That is exactly the point. They don't risk because it puts their rating (the ELO being another culprit of chess creativity having been eroding), invitations for tournaments (where we see ten-fifteen players all the time) and privileges to jeopardy. In other words, the system is broken as it does Not promote creativity, imagination, chess as an art. In fact is is suppressing all of it. 

damafe

so they should remove the world champion title?

RoaringPawn
damafe wrote:

so they should remove the world champion title?

Not quite sure what you mean. What does the w-ch title have to do with chess being plagued with engines, ELO, safety, lack of risk and creativity, etc.? 

damafe

They don't risk because they are playing for the world championship.

RoaringPawn
damafe wrote:

They don't risk because they are playing for the world championship.

Tal also played for w-ch

llama47

Fischerandom is a bad solution for multiple reasons... but taking 5 or 10 positions from 960 (pre approved by FIDE) and then making one or all of them the starting position for a "season" (which could be a year or longer) would be a pretty reasonable solution IMO.

llama47

Anyway, in other skills people don't complain... if you practice the violin for 8 hours a day, someone isn't going to say "well yeah that's good, but it's only because he practiced a lot" in a disparaging way, because that would be dumb.

damafe
RoaringPawn escribió:
damafe wrote:

They don't risk because they are playing for the world championship.

Tal also played for w-ch

 

Tal was Tal tongue.png

damafe
llama47 escribió:

Fischerandom is a bad solution for multiple reasons... but taking 5 or 10 positions from 960 (pre approved by FIDE) and then making one or all of them the starting position for a "season" (which could be a year or longer) would be a pretty reasonable solution IMO.

 

Or maybe 50 chess positions of diferent openings (tabiyas?). And play with black and white. You can't memorize all variations of 50 openings.