What is harder, chess or checkers

Sort:
Arokatan

It's not only having more possible games what makes Chess more erudite than Checkers. Chess is just complex enough to portray a rich universe while being still a humanly analytical game. A chess variant with (say) 15 types of pieces would make openings too intricate and probably they wouldn't have famous names. Also, maybe more importantly than that, Chess has long hystory and tradition.

Arokatan
intermediatedinoz escreveu:

The ancient game of checkers (or draughts) has been pronounced dead. The game was killed by the publication of a mathematical proof showing that draughts always results in a draw when neither player makes a mistake. ”


That is probably true for chess too, althought we don't have the proof.

And, if it's not true that "chess always results in a draw when neither player makes a mistake", it's probably true that "white will always if it doesn't make a mistake" or the analogous statement for black (less probable).

That doesn't make checkers "dead" (or will probably make chess "dead") for humans as much as tic-tac-toe is not dead for little children. Unless humans are always capable of calculating the best move.

thecoast1

I think it's disgusting to compare checkers to chess. Checkers is a simplistic, primitive game with a minimalist approach. Chess on the other hand requires infinitely more critical logic, as all the possibilities within the games are endless and subtle. Checkers has all equivalent pieces, with simple moves. Please, I hate it when anybody tries to imply that checkers is anywhere as difficult as chess. Being good at checkers proves nothing.

Lbjon
Like Tuvok the Vulcan said of Kaltoh, that game he liked to play: when somebody called it Vulcan chess, he said Kaltoh was to chess as chess is to tic tac toe..... Well chess is to checkers as checkers is to Rock Paper Scissors!
Tim Russ is awesome!!!!
Amara_Fray
N2UHC wrote:

Seriously?  I didn't know anyone played checkers any more.  I haven't played since I was about 8 years old.

If they think checkers & chess are of similar difficulty, then why not a checkers vs. chess game?  They move normally & jump chess pieces, while chess pieces capture the checkers as they would other chess pieces.  Chess will win every time.

You can win the game with just a queen and a bishop

konanekane

A little earlier this year I had the privilege of editing and publishing "Complete Checkers" by British draughts GM Richard Pask. The book is 730 pages of detailed opening analysis, and even with the title "Complete Checkers" the book only lists the best lines of play, documented in a series of 2,200 complete games.

 

Checkers and chess are both wonderful games, and they are very different one from the other. Checkers is extremely subtle and a small error early in the game is often fatal. I think there are two ways for a chess player to fairly quickly learn that checkers is not a trivial children's game. The best way is to play some games of checkers against a master player, and see how you do. The second way is to attempt some checker problems and see if you can solve them.

 

There's not a doubt that chess is theoretically more complex by many, many orders of magnitude. There's not a doubt that chess, with its variety of piece types, appeals to more people (at least in this day and age; up until about 1950 the story was different). But is one game better than the other? They are both fine games. Play the one you enjoy.

CookedQueen

Dude! Without question, Checkers of course! No doubt.

iTroIIU
Chess = Not Solved
Checkers = Solved.

But I agree with konanakane
LelouchSDark

Is better the "international" version, is over a 10x10 board and is a bit more complex than the english version, not only because of the board, but because of the rules, also it is not "solve". I don't know why you all mention the version over a 8x8 board, it is not the more played, nor the more funny or difficult.

 

Droughts are not so easy, you all can't draw with me, if it is so easy, master it in 5 years and be world champion.

 

Probably chess is more difficult (I am not 100% sure) but when you play with people the important is which of the two player is better.

 

The two games are different, droughts (checkers) is not strategic, you don't make deep plans and if you do only one positional bad move you can lose, the hard part here is that it is not so easy find such type of moves. Chess is logical , checkers is more abstract.

 

tittiesnxans

chess is harder.

Endapuppy

Chess on an onyx board would be harder than checkers on a wooden board.

(Another problem solved.)

prof_frink
Pawnghost wrote:

Is there notation with checkers? Are exciting games from history analyzed?

 

Yes and yes.

 

Seriously, a simple Google search could have prevented you from making a fool of yourself.

 

Still, there's no question chess is the more prestigious game, although having more prestige does not necessarily make it a better game.

 

Admittedly, I do find chess to be a more interesting game, not least because of the variety of the pieces and their different movement patterns.

Kookaburrra

null

 

Have started a new club here and invite anyone interested in Checkers or Draughts to join the club.

https://www.chess.com/club/checkers-and-draughts-enthusiasts

 

TomPetty
Pawnghost wrote:

Ha, what's next, tic tac toe players claiming that's harder than chess? Checkers utterly lacks mystique; checkers has an image problem, it's a joke compared with chess. Imagine James Bond playing checkers instead of chess! Has a movie ever been made about a checkers pro? Hah!

 No next is chess players claiming chess is harder than go. Chess is a joke compared to Go.


Disclaimer: I myself like chess better than go.

TomPetty

I find it funny how lot's of low rated players are so dismissive to checkers, while a lot of high rated players are somewhat respectful to checkers. Ivanchuck , Kasparov , Euwe etc all had respect for checkers. Hell, Ivanchuck is even an amateur checkers player and loves to play tournaments in it.
Offcourse I talk about 10x10 checkers here, where you can also capture backwards and when you king your checker, it becomes a flying king (which moves kind of like a flying bishop).
8x8 and its rules is offcourse much simpler than 10x10 checkers. 

But even then if somebody was world champion in 8x8 checkers, I think he would deserve myrespect, because to become world champion in a game is always a hard task, remember if the game is simple to you, it is also simple for the opponent, if you can create something within that to become world champion is quite a feat in itself.

 

I myself don't like checkers much (8x8 or 10x10) but that is just my taste.
Chess is a bit more, dare I say, relaxing, because you can decide moves on positional understanding, only calculating deep moves ahead in critical moments.

In checkers, it seems to me, you always are at every move calculating deeply many moves ahead.

Find some high level tactical checker problems (preferably 10x10) and you can see the beauty of the game.

 

 

prof_frink
TomPetty wrote:

I find it funny how lot's of low rated players are so dismissive to checkers, while a lot of high rated players are somewhat respectful to checkers. Ivanchuck , Kasparov , Euwe etc all had respect for checkers. Hell, Ivanchuck is even an amateur checkers player and loves to play tournaments in it.
Offcourse I talk about 10x10 checkers here, where you can also capture backwards and when you king your checker, it becomes a flying king (which moves kind of like a flying bishop).
8x8 and its rules is offcourse much simpler than 10x10 checkers. 

But even then if somebody was world champion in 8x8 checkers, I think he would deserve myrespect, because to become world champion in a game is always a hard task, remember if the game is simple to you, it is also simple for the opponent, if you can create something within that to become world champion is quite a feat in itself.

 

I myself don't like checkers much (8x8 or 10x10) but that is just my taste.
Chess is a bit more, dare I say, relaxing, because you can decide moves on positional understanding, only calculating deep moves ahead in critical moments.

In checkers, it seems to me, you always are at every move calculating deeply many moves ahead.

Find some high level tactical checker problems (preferably 10x10) and you can see the beauty of the game.

 

 

 

Very good points! Besides, I can't picture Bond playing chess or checkers (wasn't he more of a Baccarat guy?)

 

Note that my opinion of checkers/draughts has increased since I first posted here—the beauty of the game is slowly revealing itself to me, I feel. It's a very challenging and deep game, like chess, and probably about as difficult at the highest levels.

 

Perhaps some of the naysayers might do well to read the following article from ChessBase. At the very least, perhaps, they might gain a better understanding and appreciation of the game, even if it doesn't turn them into devotees:

 

https://en.chessbase.com/post/perfection-in-checkers

zembrianator

"Kings consist of two men of the same colour, stacked one on top of the other."

...

Kookaburrra

Two checkers anyway.  :-) 

 

Kookaburrra

null

Vardymaster2
CHESS because you can become all most perfect in checkers easily but chess is much more different possibilities in the game