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ChessDweeb
SerbianChessStar wrote:
costelus wrote:

I got it. So Ouachita is Kasparov! Quite a retarded Kasparov if he copies-paste analysis done by others on chessbase, while being unable to explain any of his moves. Also, a Kasparov who was convinced that FIDE ratings expire.

OK, so who is loper10? Anand?


 lol, im just assuming the possible.

 if i was Anand or Kasparov or Carlsen i would keep a low profile.. dont want every1 on chess.com attacking me.


 That does answer everything doesn't it? All of the best players in the world play here under assumed names and hidden identities. Maybe ouchita is actually Fischer. Fischer may have faked his death to hone his skills here and make a comeback from the grave. I have an idea, let's download all of the top players' games and run them through a database and see whos' games they match.

EternalChess
ChessDweeb wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:
costelus wrote:

I got it. So Ouachita is Kasparov! Quite a retarded Kasparov if he copies-paste analysis done by others on chessbase, while being unable to explain any of his moves. Also, a Kasparov who was convinced that FIDE ratings expire.

OK, so who is loper10? Anand?


 lol, im just assuming the possible.

 if i was Anand or Kasparov or Carlsen i would keep a low profile.. dont want every1 on chess.com attacking me.


 That does answer everything doesn't it? All of the best players in the world play here under assumed names and hidden identities. Maybe ouchita is actually Fischer. Fischer may have faked his death to hone his skills here and make a comeback from the grave. I have an idea, let's download all of the top players' games and run them through a database and see whos' games they match.


 yeah.. match it through all the good engines, and see the playing style, then we can figure it out.

costelus

Kokino: but we were discussing about the great players in your tourney! I don't know what disgraceful maniac mentioned the word "cheating". We are more than certain that the top players here do not cheat, as they all have been investigated by chess.com and found to be honest.

We even tried to compare their games with those played by Kasparov, Karpov, Carlsen etc. since we strongly believe that all the great chess players in the world gathered here at chess.com to play anonymously correspondence chess. Strangely, their style of play does not resemble any top grandmaster, but Rybka. We don't know how to explain this very strange thing.

ChessDweeb
RainbowRising wrote:

Frankly then, doesn't that make you all absolute idiots for staying on a site where lots of people cheat and nothing is done?


 Not really. As they cheat and don't learn anything,those that play straight will only get better.

ChessDweeb

I do enjoy playing as well. But I am not as good as you. So I don't have the luxury of playing the higher rated people that may be cheating. I can understand your point of view. As for me, if people are using engines to beat me they might want to get some new software because most of their ratings are close to mine which makes the program they are using really really weak. : )

bondiggity
SerbianChessStar wrote:

Have you ever thought maybe Ouachita was actually kasparov but he doesnt want anyone knowing?


This is just retarded. Kasparov, the best player ever, is also one of the greatest chess writers of all time. He is superb in explaining what he is thinking in positions. 

 

Ouachita, on the other hand, can't explain a positional concept for his life. There is 0% chance that he is Kasparov. Stop making excuses for him. 

Nytik

I agree with RainbowRising's post #41. People using the computer analysis as evidence against Ouachita have sort-of shot themselves in the foot, by showing that GM Becerra has a higher match-up rate than Ouachita. If he does have as much skill as he claims, and his database, then it would be possible to get a decent match-up rate. Unless, of course, Julio is cheating as well! Wink

EternalChess

what is ment by higher match up rate?

costelus
Nytik wrote:

I agree with RainbowRising's post #41. People using the computer analysis as evidence against Ouachita have sort-of shot themselves in the foot, by showing that GM Becerra has a higher match-up rate than Ouachita. If he does have as much skill as he claims, and his database, then it would be possible to get a decent match-up rate. Unless, of course, Julio is cheating as well! 


You did not even read the whole post Steve made! All you looked at was just a single game. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but a high matching percentage in a single game given the extremely rigid analysis of Steve means nothing. There might have been a very tactical game, where all the moves to be forced.

TheOldReb
Nytik wrote:

I agree with RainbowRising's post #41. People using the computer analysis as evidence against Ouachita have sort-of shot themselves in the foot, by showing that GM Becerra has a higher match-up rate than Ouachita. If he does have as much skill as he claims, and his database, then it would be possible to get a decent match-up rate. Unless, of course, Julio is cheating as well! 


 This isnt very sensible. Ouachita has no otb rating so he is unrated. I would expect a 2600 GM to have a higher match up rate than an unrated player, you don't ? I would expect any titled player to have a higher match rate than an unrated player. However, if anyone has higher match % than did Fischer and the best CC players ( before computers ) then they are certainly " suspicious" as well, no matter what their otb rating/credentials.

Kacparov
costelus wrote:

I got it. So Ouachita is Kasparov! Quite a retarded Kasparov if he copies-paste analysis done by others on chessbase, while being unable to explain any of his moves. Also, a Kasparov who was convinced that FIDE ratings expire.

OK, so who is loper10? Anand?


Then who is Achmatova who beat Loper10? Judit Polgar?

ilikeflags

may the best computer win!

ChessDweeb

I don't know what the answer is. All I know is that I personally know some people that I play with OTB on Thursday evenings and I crush them. Then when I look at how they perform online (not just here at chess.com) I am blown away at their inflated ratings.

Nytik
costelus wrote:
Nytik wrote:

I agree with RainbowRising's post #41. People using the computer analysis as evidence against Ouachita have sort-of shot themselves in the foot, by showing that GM Becerra has a higher match-up rate than Ouachita. If he does have as much skill as he claims, and his database, then it would be possible to get a decent match-up rate. Unless, of course, Julio is cheating as well! 


You did not even read the whole post Steve made! All you looked at was just a single game. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but a high matching percentage in a single game given the extremely rigid analysis of Steve means nothing. There might have been a very tactical game, where all the moves to be forced.


No, I have looked at the whole post. And I think you'll find there is not just one, but two games with Becerra, and in both of them the GM has the higher match-up.

Reb- But surely, you are accusing Becerra of cheating if you are accusing anyone at all?

TheOldReb
Nytik wrote:
costelus wrote:
Nytik wrote:

I agree with RainbowRising's post #41. People using the computer analysis as evidence against Ouachita have sort-of shot themselves in the foot, by showing that GM Becerra has a higher match-up rate than Ouachita. If he does have as much skill as he claims, and his database, then it would be possible to get a decent match-up rate. Unless, of course, Julio is cheating as well! 


You did not even read the whole post Steve made! All you looked at was just a single game. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but a high matching percentage in a single game given the extremely rigid analysis of Steve means nothing. There might have been a very tactical game, where all the moves to be forced.


No, I have looked at the whole post. And I think you'll find there is not just one, but two games with Becerra, and in both of them the GM has the higher match-up.

Reb- But surely, you are accusing Becerra of cheating if you are accusing anyone at all?


 Dont put words in my mouth. Becerra is a 2600+ GM and one of the top professionals in the USA, if he were cheating I would expect him to beat ouachita , but he played him 5 or 6 games and didnt win any. I am saying that its logical to expect a 2600 GM to match the comps more than an untitled, and certainly an unrated player like Ouachita.  If a 2600 GM played a 2800 GM I would expect the 2800 GM to match more, not the reverse.

Nytik
Reb wrote:

 Dont put words in my mouth. Becerra is a 2600+ GM and one of the top professionals in the USA, if he were cheating I would expect him to beat ouachita , but he played him 5 or 6 games and didnt win any. I am saying that its logical to expect a 2600 GM to match the comps more than an untitled, and certainly an unrated player like Ouachita.  If a 2600 GM played a 2800 GM I would expect the 2800 GM to match more, not the reverse.


Sorry, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. My point was, I can't see your argument. You expect the higher-rated player to match the computer more- this is what has occurred. So what is the problem?!

costelus

Well, you might have looked, but you didn't read very careful:

You cannot make any assumptions about ouachita's opponent's matchup rates in the analysis that follows simply because there are only 1 or 2 games from each player & individual game rates can be very high.

Now, let me explain about this game and the huge match-up rate of Julio:

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=18705206

If you notice, at move 54 let's say, the game is a clear draw. Black knew this very well, and simply he kept moving his rook on the a file, while making sure his king will prevent the f pawn from advancing. Of course, White's king must not be allowed to support the a pawn: once he tries to get close to it, then Black rook starts checking.

Engines are terrible at endings (when they have no tablebases). All the analysis of Steve from let's say move 54 on is meaningless. The engine will always show a decisive advantage for White, when it is clearly not the case.

TheOldReb
Nytik wrote:
Reb wrote:

 Dont put words in my mouth. Becerra is a 2600+ GM and one of the top professionals in the USA, if he were cheating I would expect him to beat ouachita , but he played him 5 or 6 games and didnt win any. I am saying that its logical to expect a 2600 GM to match the comps more than an untitled, and certainly an unrated player like Ouachita.  If a 2600 GM played a 2800 GM I would expect the 2800 GM to match more, not the reverse.


Sorry, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. My point was, I can't see your argument. You expect the higher-rated player to match the computer more- this is what has occurred. So what is the problem?!


 You are going by their ratings here, but I am going by their otb ratings. Online ratings are meaningless for the very reason under discussion. If you have an ICC account go there and check Ouachita's account there. Wink 

Nytik
Reb wrote:

 You are going by their ratings here, but I am going by their otb ratings. Online ratings are meaningless for the very reason under discussion. If you have an ICC account go there and check Ouachita's account there.  


No, I am going by OTB ratings. Becerra has the higher match-up rate with Rybka, and also has the higher OTB rating. These results are what we can expect. So, what is the issue?

TheOldReb
Nytik wrote:
Reb wrote:

 You are going by their ratings here, but I am going by their otb ratings. Online ratings are meaningless for the very reason under discussion. If you have an ICC account go there and check Ouachita's account there.  


No, I am going by OTB ratings. Becerra has the higher match-up rate with Rybka, and also has the higher OTB rating. These results are what we can expect. So, what is the issue?


 The issue is that ouachita's match rate is higher than even Fischer's was in his 72 match with Spassky, how can an unrated player do that ?

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